Windows 10 Update Heads UP

[gman5250]

Good thread...thanks all for keeping it civil.

Answering a few of the points above.

I have multiple hard drives available:

Primary Win10 OS is located on a WD Black 5TB...only using 2TB at the moment. When 2TB SSD drives come down in price, I want to go that route for primary and task the 5TB spinner as a secondary.
Secondary is the Mushkin Chronos SSD, dedicated drive for the sim.
Storage is handled by an external 5TB device.

I do keep a second WD Black 2TB HD available in the box. This was the drive previously assigned as primary, but wiped out by another Win10 update and targeted a malicious hack. That was the one that moved my disk management to a remote server. Whom...I have no idea, but they were not nice. I have a ten minute rule. I would relish ten minutes in a locked cage with any individual that could be identified in these nefarious activities.

My intention is to do an industrial wipe and install Win7 on that drive, once it is sanitized.

At that stage I can run a dual boot system. The advantage will be access to GMAX archives and the ability to work with those models in Win7 where GMAX is 100% functional. Those models can be saved out to the external, and accessed from the Win10 drive as I need those models for conversion in 3DS Max.

I think that setup will suit my requirements.


Updates:
Believe me...I've used every trick available to disable the updates, all eventually were compromised by MS intrusions. I have been using ESET security since the new build and am actually very pleased with it's performance. This choice was prompted by a trusted tech friend who suggested that installation...with extreme prejudice. lol


In my current situation, I develop scenery and aircraft...specifically targeted to 64 bit platforms. I feel that it is imperative that I am "up to date" with regard to OS and drivers, so I take the risks involved. Sometimes that blows up, so I try to take those hurdles in stride.

I do however, maintain an extreme prejudice against any service, hardware, software provider who prioritizes their objectives of data mining over my efficient utilization of the TOOL that I have purchased. At the end of the day, the OS is a tool just like a saw or a hammer. I want it to function as a saw or a hammer and not compromise my time/energy by layering mining and profiling algorithms over my system tools. Over the course of the last five years, these assaults have cost me a tremendous loss of time, data, hard work and $$$$$.

Thus...my occasional tirades against the machine.

 

[Dangerous Beans]

I think you can only turn the updates off in Win 10 Pro so if like me you have Win 10 home your getting the updates whether you want them or not.

 

[vortex]

I think you can only turn the updates off in Win 10 Pro so if like me you have Win 10 home your getting the updates whether you want them or not.

In Win 10 Pro, you can delay updates but not turn them off. That said, you can easily turn off driver updates (which often cause problems) but not security updates. It's possible to turn off the update service altogether but then you don't get important security updates. If you do manage to stop all updates, the next major update (like the Creators Update or whatever follows it) will not install until you are up to date with all the previous minor updates anyway. Better to allow the security updates to install a few at a time when they're available and then, if you have a problem, it will be much easier to troubleshoot what has caused it.

Also, as hairyspin pointed out earlier, the WannaCry ransomeware attack is a great example of why it's a bad idea to turn off security updates in Win 10 if you ever connect to the Internet.

 

[gman5250]

It just occurred to me, I neglected to include some information about my system.

I am not in Win10 Pro. I am in a less public version of the OS. Not going to share the specifics for reasons that concern...errr...security.

 

[hairyspin]

... the WannaCry ransomeware attack is a great example of why it's a bad idea to turn off security updates in Win 10 if you ever connect to the Internet.

Not just Win 10, any version of Windows still running. If you still run XP, there were more MS security patches released for it this past week. Same goes for Vista which got to the end of its supported life back in April. I know an organisation locked out of its data for a week by WannaCry, at who knows what cost: tinfoil trilbies or crossed fingers are just not enough.

 

[gman5250]

WannaCry is a good example when considering security updates.

The author of a malicious attack can use multiple tools to access secure systems. Vault 7 was a treasure trove of tools and techniques that are now widely distributed and used by third party, dark contractors.

The Win10, and previous EULA contracts inform the user that MS is free to sell your data to any and all entities whom may find your data valuable. The sale of your data runs the gamut from corporate clients to the various "agencies". Once remotely located, any proficient hacker can access your data.

In the case of one specific organization with access to top secret data, the trails to the "data" were protected with ridiculously shallow passwords like "password" on remote servers. When this reckless approach is utilized at multiple levels, the entire system becomes transparent and is monetized through black and gray markets on the wholesale level. It is ubiquitous.

Lately, DOS attacks have been the favored tool of various entities to gain advantage over websites and individuals whom are targeted for various reasons. If, for instance I, were a client of one of these targeted entities, I am immediately vulnerable to those same pressures...and have been in the recent past.

This is a reality that must be considered with serious attention to one's personal security.

I have, by necessity, remained "plugged in" in order to prepare a viable product for the market place. Therefore, I remain vulnerable. This is why I consider the MS "security updates" to be more in the area of a hack, than a legitimate effort to protect my data. The concept, on it's face, is laughable.

IMO

 

[hairyspin]

You can never make anything foolproof because fools are so smart. Or stoopid.

 

[zswobbie1]

WannaCry is a good example when considering security updates.


The Win10, and previous EULA contracts inform the user that MS is free to sell your data to any and all entities whom may find your data valuable. The sale of your data runs the gamut from corporate clients to the various "agencies". Once remotely located, any proficient hacker can access your data.



IMO

This is real tin foil hat stuff. Nowhere does it say that MS is free to sell your data.

A simple google takes you to >>>
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

& to>>>>
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-gb/privacystatement

Keep that hat polished!

 

[emfrat]

Just my view, from a post I made on the NZFF Forum:
"I have no intention of installing Win10 - I can't afford the theft of bandwidth caused by MS, and Steam, who both expect to barge into my machine whenever they feel like it by pushing "updates" which I neither need nor want and have no choice about accepting. So for the moment I will be staying with Win7, and whatever sim I can run in that. I don't think I am alone in making that choice."

Just to clarify, here in Oz I pay AUD70/mth for 20GB. If I exceed that, there is an automatic charge of AUD10/GB, unless I see it coming and get in first, which is also costly but less so. In any case, there is no way in the world I will allow total strangers free access to my home network - not the Uni students across the street (which is why my network is wired,not WiFi), not MS or Steam because they have no idea how my machines are setup, but just change everything to what they think I should have, just to make their software work. Why should I accept that?
MikeW

 

[AussieMan]

Just to clarify, here in Oz I pay AUD70/mth for 20GB. If I exceed that, there is an automatic charge of AUD10/GB, unless I see it coming and get in first, which is also costly but less so. In any case, there is no way in the world I will allow total strangers free access to my home network - not the Uni students across the street (which is why my network is wired,not WiFi), not MS or Steam because they have no idea how my machines are setup, but just change everything to what they think I should have, just to make their software work. Why should I accept that?MikeW

Who is your ISP MIke? I think you are getting ripped big time. I am with BigPond and I am paying $90 a month for 1TB. If by any chance I go over that I get throttled back to 256KB. My son and I use this account on a network and we are lucky if we use 500GB a month.I also use W10 and have been since the early Alpha releases and have no problems with updates. I get a notification about updates and can choose to uninstall any updates I don't want

 

[zswobbie1]

"I have no intention of installing Win10 - I can't afford the theft of bandwidth caused by MS, and Steam, who both expect to barge into my machine whenever they feel like it by pushing "updates" which I neither need nor want and have no choice about accepting. So for the moment I will be staying with Win7, and whatever sim I can run in that. I don't think I am alone in making that choice."

Does nobody ever update Windows 7??? You ARE aware of the following previous post.
"WannaCry is a good example when considering security updates.

The author of a malicious attack can use multiple tools to access secure systems. Vault 7 was a treasure trove of tools and techniques that are now widely distributed and used by third party, dark contractors.' & MS has just released an update for that. Are you going to leave your W7 machine vulnerable by not accepting that update?

You may not want it, BUT you NEED that one, and any other security update for older, more vulnerable operating systems. (such as yours)

So, the only real difference between W10 & older OS's, is that W10 updates for you automatically, whereas, before, you had to click OK every time, & I'm sure that everyone with W7 always kept the OS updated.

 

[gman5250]

This is real tin foil hat stuff. Nowhere does it say that MS is free to sell your data.

A simple google takes you to >>>
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

& to>>>>
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-gb/privacystatement

Keep that hat polished!

My hat, and how I wear it are none of your concern sir. Keep your insults to your self and grow up.

Your problem is that you do a "simple Google search" and attempt to support your rude behavior with an uninformed reading of the privacy terms.
By the way...Google is a proper name. It should be capitalized.

With regard to capitalization. The privacy statement, which is referenced in the EULA, details in clever and utterly ambiguous language "We also share data with Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries; with vendors working on our behalf".

What, exactly do you believe is implied in that language sir?
The contract, in its entirety, is full of such language that grants MS the right to do with your data as they wish or feel "necessary". Compounding the liberal application of vague language is the notoriously transparent "security" employed by Cortana and other MS, and affiliate apps.

The fact that your data is "shared" with affiliates, subsidiaries and vendors should tell you that your data is being monetized. That is what affiliates, subsidiaries and vendors do. MS is telling you, directly, their intention and thus indemnifying themselves against lawful remedy by the party who agreed to their terms.


I am not remotely concerned with how you conduct your affairs, your world view, nor your opinion of me.

This is a respectable and honorable forum where adults share their views, opinions and commentary. It would benefit you, sir, to learn how to conduct yourself with respect to the contract you agreed upon when joining SOH.

It would also benefit you to learn how to read, interpret and comprehend a commercial, maritime contract.

 

[hairyspin]

Hands off my rig, it's mine

Funny how personal the reactions to computer problems can be. I can be just as shirty as anyone when something doesn't go right or a software update grinds the rig to a crawl for all of 35 seconds. HEY! I WANNA DO STUFF! GET LOST, CAN'T YOU! Blasted popups, please fill in this survey after buying tortilla chips online from Lug-a-Load dot com twice in four years... NO! GO AWAY!

Really, it's no better than road rage: we've all done it, not only do I own the road, it was my father's before me; or each and every truck is out to Get Me, help help.

The only answer is to make tea, go outside, breathe fresh air and imagine what particular segment of the seventh circle of Hell will be reserved for the real criminals, not the poor stiffs trying to make that vast software project called Windows run trouble-free.

 

[stovall]

Seems the last few posts are getting a bit personal. Please keep the comments about the title and not each other.

 

[ToniJH]

After the latest windows 10 update, my FSDS stopped working, it says directx z-buffer issue and cannot load 3d model views etc and program closes, all drivers and directX files are updated, still not work. So i rollback earlier version of Windows 10 and all works fine.

 

[hairyspin]

No personal remarks intended Tom, just trying to make a general observation about our PCs and our personal space as we tend to see it. If anyone thinks I'm getting at them, please accept my sincere apologies: mea culpa.

 

[ncooper]

Interesting debate.

I'll throw this into the ring to be shot to pieces.
The Windows 7 privacy statement appears to have little to distinguish it from the Windows 10 privacy statement.

• Windows 7
• In order to help provide our services, we occasionally provide information to other companies that work on our behalf. Only companies who have a business need to use the information are provided access to them. These companies are required to keep this information confidential and are prohibited from using it for any other purpose.
• Windows 10
• We may share or disclose information about you with other Microsoft controlled subsidiaries and affiliates, and with vendors or agents working on our behalf. For example, companies we've hired to provide customer service support or assist in protecting and securing our systems and services may need access to personal information in order to provide those functions. In such cases, these companies must abide by our data privacy requirements and are not allowed to use the information for any other purpose. We may also disclose information about you as part of a corporate transaction such as a merger or sale of assets.

 

[gman5250]

In the spirt of a gentlemanly debate:

I focused on the term "share" in my comment above.

Under maritime law, which governs all commercial contracts, the use of language and it's definitions are to be observed and understood. In an administrative court, the bench will interpret the language based solely upon codified definitions. Blacks Law is a commonly accepted reference in regards to these definitions.

Blacks Law:

SHARE
A portion of anything. When a whole is divided into shares, they are not necessarily equal. In the law of corporations and joint-stock companies, a share is a definite portion of the capital of a company.

Law Dictionary: S Information and Definitions from Black's Law Dictionary


In contract, the legal definition of a word determines the intention of the text. In the case of the MS Terms of Use and Privacy statement, the use of the word share takes on an entirely different meaning than a casual reading of the text may suggest.

In my day to day transactions, I take every precaution to avoid contracting in the commercial for exactly these reasons. There are, however, times when that becomes impossible...thus operating in commerce with Microsoft. An unfortunate and dis-tasteful reality, considering that there are virtually no alternatives available in the marketplace.

 

[ncooper]

Even more interesting.

The Blacks Law definition is of a noun.
The privacy agreement appears to be using a verb.

To "share"in the context used by Microsoft means to make available.
To "provide", as used in the Windows 7 excerpt, also means to make available.

The use of the term "share" when the meaning is "tell" or "give" or "provide"
is one that has emanated from American English and seems to be present
everywhere.

When I was taught English at school in the late 1950's and early 1960's, the verb
"share" meant to give some of what one had to someone else, or receive a part
of what they had.
"Give" meant to transfer something at no cost to someone else with no implicit
expectation of its return.
"Provide" was to supply something, also with no implicit expectation of its return
but to include a possible cost.

For this reason, I have understood each of those parts of the two privacy statements
to mean the same thing.
I may not be correct of course.

 

[gman5250]

Here's the interesting bit Nick,

The only reference to "share" in Black Law Dictionary that alludes to the verb is defined as


SHARE AND SHARE ALIKE
a term that applies to the equal share or the equal proportions.



Every other use of the word is a derivative of the noun. In a court of record, where would the bench find codified use of the verb, and how would it be applied?. At the discretion of the court would be the obvious answer, leaving the interpretation up to the court.

I haven't looked for any rulings in this area, but it would be an interesting study.