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ALPHASIM BLACKHAWK control

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captdoug

Charter Member
Hello,

Does anyone know of a revised or new air file for the Alpha Sim FSX Blackhawk.

I just bought and installed the helicopter a few days ago and even though I am not an expert chopper pilot I can get around ok in all other ones I have.

The BlackHawk flys like it's drunk. Or similar to a real plane just before it stalls.

The control imput resonse is very slow and it easily can create P.I.O. Pilot Induced Oscillation It's very difficult to control the landing phase as well. The V-22 Osprey is easier to control.

Before you ask I have double checked my controllers and bumped up the sensitivety a bit. (all other aircraft respond ok)

I also checked fuel load etc. All is within tolerance.

It's a shame the thing flies so irresponsively. It looks great!

Please let me know if anyone else feels this way and if there is a fix.

I remember someone else complaining in a forum somewhere.

Thanks

Doug
 
This is precisely why it was removed from my hard drive. Wasted money for me. Sorry if anyone from the team who helped make it is hurt by my statement. It is what it is.

Anyways, I'm sure someone here has a good replacement file or knows of where to find one. This was mentioned by MC a bit back.
 
I enjoy how ultra sensitive it is, keeps me on my toes and after some practice, I don't think anything of it (other than the performance hit I get with it, LOL)

Hopefully Michael Davies will see this and offer some assistance since he played a big part in the airfile.
 
Boy??? It flies fine for me. The controls seem tight and responsive, landing any helo is tough. I really enjoy the AS Blackhawk.
 
CodyValkyrie said:
This is precisely why it was removed from my hard drive. Wasted money for me. Sorry if anyone from the team who helped make it is hurt by my statement. It is what it is.

Anyways, I'm sure someone here has a good replacement file or knows of where to find one. This was mentioned by MC a bit back.
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I had the same problem and wanted to do the same thing but I really wanted the UH-60 and paid too much for it just to uninstall it. So what I did was take a line from the AS MH-53 and replaced the one in the UH-60 aircraft file. Now if flys a LOT better and I happy with it.

[Helicopter]
low_realism_stability_scale= 0.85, 0.90, 1.35 //Pitch , Bank, Yaw Scalars on Stability in Low Realism Settings

Copy and past the above line and replace the line in the UH-60 aircraft.cfg file with this one. Let me know how it works out for you.
 
I'm with Michael on this one. It took me a while but it's like with every AS heli of the last year or so. They take a little practise as they all respond different but once you've figured that out she's fine to fly. For me at least. Not that this helps you anything but still. :redf: :d
 
Thanks for the.cfg info, I'll try it out.

As for the suggestions about learning curves etc, with FS helicopters
yes that is all true... but I'm not a begginer rotor head ...not an expert either but this helicopters flight model is way off. There is something lacking with it with all do respect to AlphaSim and others who think its ok.

But that's why we here to collectively learn from each other (no pun intended)

Thanks

Captdoug
 
As others have noted, I was solely responsible for the FDE so its poor performance is down to my work.

Technically anyone with a problem should proceed to Alphasim and ask for a resolution via their reporting system, they have set a system into place that they wish everyone to abide too, that system does not list forums ( theirs or others ) in that set up.

Thus, people here have to decide on one of two actions, do they wish Alphasim to resolve this, in which case they will need to go via Alphasim's correct procedure and hopefully they will contact me internally to effect a resolution, or do people here wish me to help them personalise a FDE to suit there flying preferences.

In short I will not use this forum for tech help on any Alphasim product, any support offered here is personal and not Alphasim endorsed or an attempt to resolve Alphasim issues.

Anything written here on in with regards to this problem or any future problem is my own input and is not endorsed or supportive of an Alphasim product and comes with no assurance from aforementioned company.

I'm also severely disappointed to see at least two regular people here voice concerns and dissent this late in the day, if you don't tell me you have a problem, how can I help you ?.

Regarding the Blackhawk FDE, not really sure what to say, it should be set up to feel very responsive, overly so that I had to tone it down due to the extra tank-age of the wing tanks, these are in the cfg all the time, you will need to edit these out in the sims fuel management tab, these are a significant weight a long way from the CoG and as such will produce a severe sluggishness in input and reactive control, both in inducement and correction.

The low realism stability figures mentioned above will actually make it more sluggish, as shipped the figures should be 0.45, 0.35, 0.90 those figures are very low for response inputs, 0 being hyper sensitive, 1 being default sensitivity, generally these figures are around 0.7 to 0.8, so 0.45 and 0.35 is very very sensitive.

One other sim setting that might be upsetting things is the realism scalar, all of my FDEs were set up so that sim could be set to 100% realism, as you lower that realism it applies a calculation to the figures and dulls them down, for example if our FDE scalars were all set to 1, then setting the sim realism to 100% would give an input feel of 1, set sim realism to 50% would offset the scalar to 2 ( more sluggish ). How end users set their sim up has a direct impact on how I tune the FDE, being as I have no idea what end users have I can only opt for what I think is an optimum.

Can I suggest that anyone having problems try two simple tests first, set their sim realism to 100% and open the fuel manager and make the wing tanks empty ( that'll save 2760lbs ), you may also wish to open the load and weight manager and take out those extra bodies that are in the back ( that'll loose 840lbs ) and then test fly and see what happens.

One other point, just to clarify, the latest shipped file I did was V1.2a, if you open the cfg file and look at the first line it should give that information.

Finally, I'm prepared to go round and round on this until people are happy, but people must realise that what works for one, may not work for another, if people run with sim settings different to mine then let me know what they are so I can dial them in and then compensate the FDE to suit and hopefully give you a better experiance.

Best

Michael
 
michael davies said:
As others have noted, I was solely responsible for the FDE so its poor performance is down to my work.
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Hi Micheal, The FDE is just fine for me. Originally it was a little too responsive, but after modifying the low_realism_stability_scale, it flew great. Don't be so hard on yourself. (Side note...I thought alphasim issued a patch for this, or was that just on the forums?)
 
djscoo said:
Hi Micheal, The FDE is just fine for me. Originally it was a little too responsive, but after modifying the low_realism_stability_scale, it flew great. Don't be so hard on yourself. (Side note...I thought alphasim issued a patch for this, or was that just on the forums?)
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Y'know, I thought so too, but my records only hold this one, generally I keep al the old files for reference, but not the Blackhawk, I've just recently cleaned up all my old files on the PC, but I can check my securities external back ups which might still hold all the old files.

V1.2a is the latest I have and the date stamp fits that time period, so its not a pre release file, having said that I do seem to recall some extra work being done to enable four tanks and not the two I'm currently showing, I'll dig around a little more and see what I can un earth.

Helo FDEs are very subjective, most of the params are tweaks and work arounds to get the sim to pretend what you want it to do, its not un suprising that some systems will baulk and feel different at a standard FDE, I suppose thats the problem of trying to make them all feel different from the default Bell, sometimes one can go too far.

Best

Michael
 
Me tuppence on the table. Any or all may consider my opinionated story to be out of place but I offer it in good faith.

I do not own the AS Blackhawk at this time. I've used various freeware and the default FSX and Acceleration helos. I was terrible. The fact that helos are tough meat to chew in FS didn't help my concerns much.

I searched from time to time to see if I could change something. Eventually I found a post about realism settings should be tried at mid range rather than to the right for helos. Perhaps I learned a little about FSX flight simulation limitations.

However, what really made the difference ----- was me. I practiced.

I was able to hover, even less than a foot above water, even dipped a bit into water, move forward or backward at a few knots.

While this effort and results may gain no respect from others it does impress me. As of late I'm using the default Accel helo every time I fly a helo. I've not tried the hoist function so......................I may yet have to eat my hat..........anyone know of a pizza sauce that may help? :costumes: :ernae:
 
wilycoyote4 said:
Me tuppence on the table. Any or all may consider my opinionated story to be out of place but I offer it in good faith.

I do not own the AS Blackhawk at this time. I've used various freeware and the default FSX and Acceleration helos. I was terrible. The fact that helos are tough meat to chew in FS didn't help my concerns much.

I searched from time to time to see if I could change something. Eventually I found a post about realism settings should be tried at mid range rather than to the right for helos. Perhaps I learned a little about FSX flight simulation limitations.

However, what really made the difference ----- was me. I practiced.

I was able to hover, even less than a foot above water, even dipped a bit into water, move forward or backward at a few knots.

While this effort and results may gain no respect from others it does impress me. As of late I'm using the default Accel helo every time I fly a helo. I've not tried the hoist function so......................I may yet have to eat my hat..........anyone know of a pizza sauce that may help? :costumes: :ernae:
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Quite right, if you find helos a little too much of a hand full then mid sliders is the first and easiest thing to do, however if you find them too sluggish then uping the sliders will make them more fickle, all my helos FDEs were set up for sliders 100% right, if anyone sets their sliders lower then it will have an impact on how it feels.

Best

Michael
 
I tried a little experiment. The Blackhawk fly's great when you use rudder pedals, and not so good when you don't.

I'll be here all night, folks. Just here to help.
 
Michael I think the UH-60 is great! I only had 2 "problems" if I may call it that. The first one was fixed as I stated above. The other "problem" if I may call it that was the sound. That sound was just all wrong! It was not even close to what a real Uh-60 sounds like to me. The day before I brought the AS UH-60 I went out to my local airport because there was a UH-60L flying into my local airport and I went out to see it. Maybe i'm just being picky but the sound that came with it did not match to me. Anyway I am using the defaul EH-101 sound with the Blackhawk which is a lot better to me.:d I also added an autopilot and have flew all over with this setup. Here is a photo of the UH-60 that I am talking about.:d
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I set my control sensitivities to max and can fly every copter easily.
 
This threads reminds me to go fly my blackhawk for the 1st time. I just found some USCG paints. I'll see what my handleing is . Hopefully similar to the seasprite or areosoft jayhawk.
 
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