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OT: Proper ciriculum to be taught in VA Schools

Okay, this is odd....

I was taught to shoot in High School. On a range, in the High School. By a teacher, hired by the state.

I was primarily taught gun safety, and shooting as an afterthought. It proved to be good teaching, because the Army, although it tried, did not teach me as well as my High School teacher.

The reason of course is because the Army was teaching me to kill or suppress targets, and not to shoot.

The two are different in some respects.

Now, I grew up in a hunting family, (although I personally preferred to go fishing and never picked up the hunting bug), so the result of that is that I have never viewed guns with any trepidation and in fact, am shocked to find people out there that do. To me, they are simply tools. No more or no less than a hammer. I've never been impressed with hammers, and am not with guns. I do have a small collection of historical firearms because I happen to appreciate their historical value. I shoot them very rarely.

I think people who are raised around guns, are less likely to view them with any particular fascination, and less likely to use them as weapons. My personal opinion obviously...but in keeping with that, agree with you that regular instruction would likely lead to less problems later.

BTW, I remember both my High School lessons, and my Army lessons.
 
i was hoping they were going to teach kids how to properly handle firearms instead of DON'T TOUCH THE EVIL GUN! GO GET AN ADULT!
 
cheezyflier said:
i was hoping they were going to teach kids how to properly handle firearms instead of DON'T TOUCH THE EVIL GUN! GO GET AN ADULT!
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Eddie Eagle says:
"Stop! Don't touch! Leave the Area! Tell an adult!"

I learned how to avoid guns via an animated rapping eagle in elementary school. I learned to safely handle and use a gun through boy scouts.
 
sorry but whenever i think eddie the eagle i think of this :icon_lol:

[YOUTUBE]9UjkLC5w_fU[/YOUTUBE]

maybe you guys should chose a better name for your gun safety thing :running: :icon_lol:
 
I guess we don't have enough threads locked or closed, so we need to stir up some more crap. I can't think of a better subject designed to stir up heated acrimonious debate than gun control. Geez.
 
PRB said:
I guess we don't have enough threads locked or closed, so we need to stir up some more crap. I can't think of a better subject designed to stir up heated acrimonious debate than gun control. Geez.
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Was just thinking the same thing :gameoff:
 
With some of these recent topics I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing them with friends in a bar, not to mention on an internet forum where I have no idea what strong opinions the rest of you may hold.
 
The only reason such lessons in school are resisted is because some adults believe that if it's never talked about then it will go away.

If adults truly care about child safety, they recognize that regardless of politics, the Eddie the Eagle program has worked to improve gun safety around children. And that goal should be something all adults agree upon.

Leave the politics among the adults in a civic forum. Teach the kids the undeniable facts and keep them safe!

Ken
 
PRB said:
I guess we don't have enough threads locked or closed, so we need to stir up some more crap. I can't think of a better subject designed to stir up heated acrimonious debate than gun control. Geez.
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That's the whole point!

If it is TURNED into a discussion about gun control it will only be because some members wish to change the topic to suit their aims.

The point of THIS thread is child safety and providing children an undeniable message.

If they see a gun, "STOP! Don't Touch! Leave the Area! Tell an adult!"

If you disagree with telling a young child that warning, then please proceed to say why you don't want a child to follow this advice when they see a firearm.

If you want to talk about something else, then I respectfully suggest another forum.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Ken Stallings said:
That's the whole point!

If it is TURNED into a discussion about gun control it will only be because some members wish to change the topic to suit their aims.

The point of THIS thread is child safety and providing children an undeniable message.

If they see a gun, "STOP! Don't Touch! Leave the Area! Tell an adult!"

If you disagree with telling a young child that warning, then please proceed to say why you don't want a child to follow this advice when they see a firearm.

If you want to talk about something else, then I respectfully suggest another forum.

Cheers,

Ken
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Fantasy Land.

It started as about gun control. Although I agree 100% with your first post in this thread, to think this topic isn't about gun control is, well, as I said, fantasy. I'm not debating, here, the topic of gun control (which is what this is) but about the proclivities, of some people here, to constantly push the envelope, to see how far they can go, how many posts will it take before my thread gets closed, against the explicit wishes of the people who run this site.
 
PRB said:
Fantasy Land.

It started as about gun control. Although I agree 100% with your first post in this thread, to think this topic isn't about gun control is, well, as I said, fantasy. I'm not debating, here, the topic of gun control (which is what this is) but about the proclivities, of some people here, to constantly push the envelope, to see how far they can go, how many posts will it take before my thread gets closed, against the explicit wishes of the people who run this site.
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Why is this thread still open then? If you don't want people to push the envelope then shut it down before it has time to devolve. Have we not proven ourselves time and again incapable of keeping our opinions to ourselves?
 
djscoo said:
Why is this thread still open then? If you don't want people to push the envelope then shut it down before it has time to devolve. Have we not proven ourselves time and again incapable of keeping our opinions to ourselves?
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OK, I will provide a reason.

I have two children of my own. I personally think it is good when school systems do what is demonstrated time and again as being in the best interest of child safety.

And I say again this thread is purely about providing safety lessons for children to help keep them unharmed.

Do you really think a thread with that goal in mind should be closed?

Ken
 
PRB said:
Fantasy Land.

It started as about gun control. Although I agree 100% with your first post in this thread, to think this topic isn't about gun control is, well, as I said, fantasy. I'm not debating, here, the topic of gun control (which is what this is) but about the proclivities, of some people here, to constantly push the envelope, to see how far they can go, how many posts will it take before my thread gets closed, against the explicit wishes of the people who run this site.
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As the OP of this thread, you have no clue as to why I posted this article to start with! And if you even think to know that I started it as a discusson in favor of gun control you could never be more wrong.

The point is, children and kids are getting their hands on guns and they are killing people with them, because of what is being put in their heads regarding guns based on the crap they see from hollywood, or other misinformation.

If a proper respect is taught early enough, then perhaps we will see less and less misuse and misunderstanding of what guns can do, from kids so young.

When I was a kid I was always around guns, my father taught me to respect the weapon for what it was ... every kid should have this opportunity.
 
Ken Stallings said:
OK, I will provide a reason.

I have two children of my own. I personally think it is good when school systems do what is demonstrated time and again as being in the best interest of child safety.

And I say again this thread is purely about providing safety lessons for children to help keep them unharmed.

Do you really think a thread with that goal in mind should be closed?

Ken
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After rereading the story, I just can't figure out the purpose of this thread's existence.The news story is about kids being shown an Eddie the Eagle video.I was in kindergarten in 1995 and we watched Eddie the Eagle then.

Okay, good for Virginia for finally catching up with the rest of the country. Seriously, what more is there to discuss? The way Snuffy's post is worded could be construed as anti-gun control which is sort of provoking a response from those in favor of gun control.
 
Oddly, this thread hasn't turned in to an actual argument about gun control, but an argument about whether this thread will cause an argument about gun control!
 
"argument about whether this thread will cause an argument"
OKAY... This is a first, even for this place..
Time to mark this date..
LOL..
a "argument" about a "argument" that hasn't happened yet, sounds like Monty Python
TOO COOL..
Only at SOH..Think what the rest of the world is missing..
Next thing is a Post about Nothing,
No wait already did that one..
LOL..
 
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