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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

CARENADO RELEASES F33A BONANZA FOR FSX!!

Anyone check out the static wicks while in flight? ;)

I notice the same issues I have on takeoff with their Arrow - it needs A TON of trim, then once you get it level all the trim has to go away hehe. Never flown a F33 myself but I don't remember the Piper singles behaving like that in the real world...

I also noticed the storm scope is replaced by an engine gauge (not talking about the jpi gauge)

I'll have to put my RXP in too, and your edits kiwi - I'm observing the same behavior as you...

Only other funny thing is for screenshots - the center is like the firewall I think... ie the VC gauges, so it's hard to get close up center shots

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So I've done some reading of pilots notes and such.

Full flaps is almost always used with the Bonanza (and most other planes) on approach.

One source said that the mp should be around 13.5 with full flaps on short final. This isn't even close to possible, even with my modification. The lowest manifold pressure I could use to even stay in the air is around 20. I'm going to change the value some more to see if I can hit closer to the numbers that manuals and pilots are indicating.

More to come...

Another note:

The takeoff distance is HORRIBLY wrong. The F33A is supposed to take off in a little over 1000 feet. The best I can do with flaps 15 is around 2400. I'm not sure what's wrong here...
 
Kiwikat said:
So I've done some reading of pilots notes and such.

Full flaps is almost always used with the Bonanza (and most other planes) on approach.

One source said that the mp should be around 13.5 with full flaps on short final. This isn't even close to possible, even with my modification. The lowest manifold pressure I could use to even stay in the air is around 20. I'm going to change the value some more to see if I can hit closer to the numbers that manuals and pilots are indicating.

More to come...

Another note:

The takeoff distance is HORRIBLY wrong. The F33A is supposed to take off in a little over 1000 feet. The best I can do with flaps 15 is around 2400. I'm not sure what's wrong here...
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You are right on both accounts. The acceleration on takeoff is way too slow too....hmm...
 
Another jewel from Carenado...

I would prefer the V-tail personally.

Man, that is one brilliant job on the panel. Looks like a brand new plane.

On airfiles, I always tweak them on any plane I purchase. I think we all have our own tastes individually on what we feel comfortable with. Some like it rough, some like it gentle...


Bill
 
Lionheart said:
Some like it rough, some like it gentle...
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... and some like it realistic. :wiggle:

I'm sure Carenado will work on fixing it real quick like they did with previous aircraft. I've posted on their forums over on AVSIM too so hopefully they will see the comments.
 
On Takeoff Performance:

Actually, I was serious. Acceleration on takeoff feels too slow and this may be connected to using too much runway for takeoff. According to my Beech POH/AFM, A fully loaded (3400lbs) F33A should be using about 1500 feet of runway for a normal, no flaps, no wind takeoff (rotate at 70 kts). The sim version uses about 2100 feet for the same and it struggles to get into the air at 70 kts. So theres something off a little here.

On trim:

The real Bonanza I flew, we used 6 units up trim for takeoff. That feels about accurate for this model.

On flaps drag: Yes, its too high, but not by much. The gear being extended creates LOTS of drag in real life, and not much in this sim version. One thing we were always taught during training is if you get into a 'bad' situation and need to slow down quickly (or recover from a spin) - throw the gear out! Below 153 kts (177mph), you wont hurt the gear.

Heres verbatim from our real world FTM:

Normal Landing: Downwind leg
-Level at traffic pattern altitude
-Speed 105 kts - 15" MP, prop at 2500 rpm
-Extend gear at field midpoint
-Perform Before Landing Checklist

Abeam Touchdown
-Reduce throttle to 14" MP and adjust as required
-Set flaps to 10 degrees or as required
-Establish speed of 95 kts
-Prop foward to high RPM

Base Leg
-Set flaps 20 degrees or as required
-Establish 85 kts
-Scan final approach for traffic

Final Approach
-Set flaps to DN - 30 degrees
-Stabilize final approach at 80 kts
-Touchdown smoothly on the main landing gear at the approximate stalling speed with no longitudinal drift over centerline.
 
Agreed take off distance is waaaaaay too long. Just plunked into the local lake 3 times trying to take off from my favorite lil airfield untill I changed to the longer runway at KGSO. Once in the air she handles pretty well no problems on landing either. All in all another fine plane from Carenado just needs a little tweaking.
 
Okay guys, here's what I'm using for now (seems reasonably accurate my my RW experience in an E33C):

Mods to the cfg:

parasite_drag_scalar =0.9 //was 0.8

[propeller]
thrust_scalar=0.90 //was .80 - new number seems to help t/o performance - might want to go higher still (but too high may mess with cruise power)

[Flaps.0]
drag_scalar = 1.9

Takeoff with trim just under 6 units up, and it should be a lot better.

Everything seems and feels pretty close now. Performance agrees with the books pretty closely with a few discrepancies. Still, the stall performance is very unrealistic....we'll wait to see what Carenado does about that...

Remember, this is a high performance plane. If you're not careful with power, it will bite in real life. Reduce power at 2 inches MP per minute in the descent. If you monkey the throttle around, you'll shock cool it/unbalance the engine crankshaft and screw lots up. So when testing, try to be smooth with everything. It seems pretty 'right' to me so far.

Below: flying final on GS at 80 kts, prop forward, gear down, flaps full, MP 16-17". Thats right on!

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Nice pic!!

Holy crap did anyone notice they included a few different models, with transparent windows/without and a single and double yoke version!! Look in the aircraft's folder!

And while it isn't a big deal for me, but I think the default gps has a bug. You try to view the generic map on the 2nd screen within the first group and nothing happens.
 
Yes - saw dif versions - great to have the choice.

Also remember on every piper carendo have ever done i have complained that the small window for the pilot did not open - it does on this!! :jump::jump::jump::jump::jump:
 
She looks good. Does anyone know if there's any use for the second ADF unit? Looking at the screenshots above I can only spot one RMI...
 
Everyone keeps complaining about how it's not a V tail. Why don't you go get FSD's brand new V tail bonanza?
 
What are you guys all using for FDE tweaks? So far I've used what piperarcherpilot has posted:

Under flaps.0
drag_scalar = 1.9 //was 2.4

[propeller]
thrust_scalar=0.90 //was .80

under flight tuning
parasite_drag_scalar =0.9 //was 0.8
 
Is anyone else's Garmin GPS not showing that it's "on" when in the VC. I haven't tested it with the other models, but the German Dark blue/white model has this error.
 
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