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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Somethngs wrong with my F8-F

My experience with aircraft designed for realism sliders to 100% is that they still fly much much better with the sliders to the left -- 50%-80% realism. Of course, I mostly do formation flying. These things will obviously be subjective, but I find that many aircraft are impossible to fly in formation in FSX with realism to 100%.

My reasoning is that if an aircraft is supposed to be easy to fly in formation in real life..... but is impossible to do so in FSX with realism to full.... then perhaps the realism settings are the problem.

I was not suggesting reducing settings in order to avoid spins, but rather, that reduced realism settings seem to have the effect of preventing spins.
 
But that can only happen if you know the plane better than the designer;)
(If the FDE designer knows what he's doing of course)
 
I do not care about spins. All I want is the plane to surge when it starts to take off. Get off in less than 1000 feet and land on the runway, after making a roll. Is that asking too much?
 
Helldiver said:
I do not care about spins. All I want is the plane to surge when it starts to take off. Get off in less than 1000 feet and land on the runway, after making a roll. Is that asking too much?
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Hi all,
what do the developers have to say ... ????
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Italo
 
Well, because of this thread I was motivated to buy this plane. I figure since I have about as many hours flying Bearcats as anyone else here, I'm at least as qualified to judge it's flight characteristics as anyone. And since I really love this plane, a lot, that makes me even more qualified, maybe even an expert...

Mine took off in a pretty short distance. I paused it and went outside just after lift off to get an idea of how much runway I used. I'd guess about 2000 feet. I didn't just jam the power to max on the take off roll, though. Can't do that or the torque will drive you and your airplane off the runway and into a ditch. I applied the power slowly, and went to full only when the rudder authority could keep the nose pointed straight.

The thing is a friggen rocket ship! She climbed at 4000 feet per minute all the way to 8000 feet, and would have continued to do so higher, except my windows fogged up and I had to figure out how to work the de-fogger. That was pretty cool. Then I did some rolls and a loop. I don't know, doesn't seem like a dog to me. It's difficult to tell, I suppose, unless I had flown real one so I could properly compare...

I always fly with all the realism sliders at full right. Never had any plane that didn't seem to me to be flying correctly, as far as I can tell, under these conditions, this one included.

As far as being easy to fly in formation, one might point out that when a plane is described as “easy to fly in formation”, they don't mean easy to us couch-pilots! They mean to pilots who know how to fly in formation, something that is quite difficult and requires lots of training and concentration, even for experienced pilots.

And the VC is spectacular!

I'm happy with it. Curious haw fast she goes at critical altitude. I'll do some proper flight testing later.

My installer said version 1, so I'm not sure mine is patched....
 
PRB said:
Well, because of this thread I was motivated to buy this plane. I figure since I have about as many hours flying Bearcats as anyone else here, I'm at least as qualified to judge it's flight characteristics as anyone. And since I really love this plane, a lot, that makes me even more qualified, maybe even an expert...

Mine took off in a pretty short distance. I paused it and went outside just after lift off to get an idea of how much runway I used. I'd guess about 2000 feet. I didn't just jam the power to max on the take off roll, though. Can't do that or the torque will drive you and your airplane off the runway and into a ditch. I applied the power slowly, and went to full only when the rudder authority could keep the nose pointed straight.

The thing is a friggen rocket ship! She climbed at 4000 feet per minute all the way to 8000 feet, and would have continued to do so higher, except my windows fogged up and I had to figure out how to work the de-fogger. That was pretty cool. Then I did some rolls and a loop. I don't know, doesn't seem like a dog to me. It's difficult to tell, I suppose, unless I had flown real one so I could properly compare...

I always fly with all the realism sliders at full right. Never had any plane that didn't seem to me to be flying correctly, as far as I can tell, under these conditions, this one included.

As far as being easy to fly in formation, one might point out that when a plane is described as “easy to fly in formation”, they don't mean easy to us couch-pilots! They mean to pilots who know how to fly in formation, something that is quite difficult and requires lots of training and concentration, even for experienced pilots.

And the VC is spectacular!

I'm happy with it. Curious haw fast she goes at critical altitude. I'll do some proper flight testing later.

My installer said version 1, so I'm not sure mine is patched....
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To check if you have the patched version, open the Aircraft.cfg the header should read

// VERTIGO STUDIOS
// GRUMMAN F8F BEARCAT
// VERSION 1.1.22102010
// FSX



Helldiver have you submitted a support ticket reguarding you concerns about the bearcat over at Vertigo Studios here http://www.vertigostudios.co.uk/helpdesk/
 
PRB said:
Well, because of this thread I was motivated to buy this plane. I figure since I have about as many hours flying Bearcats as anyone else here, I'm at least as qualified to judge it's flight characteristics as anyone. And since I really love this plane, a lot, that makes me even more qualified, maybe even an expert...

Mine took off in a pretty short distance. I paused it and went outside just after lift off to get an idea of how much runway I used. I'd guess about 2000 feet. I didn't just jam the power to max on the take off roll, though. Can't do that or the torque will drive you and your airplane off the runway and into a ditch. I applied the power slowly, and went to full only when the rudder authority could keep the nose pointed straight.

The thing is a friggen rocket ship! She climbed at 4000 feet per minute all the way to 8000 feet, and would have continued to do so higher, except my windows fogged up and I had to figure out how to work the de-fogger. That was pretty cool. Then I did some rolls and a loop. I don't know, doesn't seem like a dog to me. It's difficult to tell, I suppose, unless I had flown real one so I could properly compare...

I always fly with all the realism sliders at full right. Never had any plane that didn't seem to me to be flying correctly, as far as I can tell, under these conditions, this one included.

As far as being easy to fly in formation, one might point out that when a plane is described as “easy to fly in formation”, they don't mean easy to us couch-pilots! They mean to pilots who know how to fly in formation, something that is quite difficult and requires lots of training and concentration, even for experienced pilots.

And the VC is spectacular!

I'm happy with it. Curious haw fast she goes at critical altitude. I'll do some proper flight testing later.

My installer said version 1, so I'm not sure mine is patched....
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I am not an expert PBR, but your statements on the sim pretty much mock mine to a tee. Like you sate, I do mot hammer the throttle, but apply a littlle to get rolling and then slowly increase the throttle to maximum.

And don't forget to get that gear up soon before you reach maximum speed for gear retraction, hit that defroster too or you be getting a frosty windshield before you know it.

The view from the VC is terrific, as good as I have seen in a sim aircraft.

But Vertigo, please, please, replace that P & W R-2800 with the proper engine in the F8F and F6F! Your aircraft are gems save for having improper engines.

Caz
 
"I'm at least as qualified to judge it's flight characteristics as anyone"

You had to be there. - I was.
This dodo doesn't fly at all like the real thing as far as take off is concerned.
 
How did they messure the real world performance tables for the F8-F?
Brake release full power take off?
That should be mentioned in the real manual and the FSX counterpart should perform very similar under similar conditions of course.
 
I just did a series of tests with the F8F-1 #94950. I have the patch instlled and verified.

I did a series of takeoff's out of KSEA 34R and 16L. Gross Weight was 9400 Lbs and flaps up. All perormance settings were full right. I would hold brakes and run the engine up to full power. I was getting 60" of MFP and 2800 RPM. I would then release the brakes. Lift off was in the 600 ft range and depending on how well I managed airspeed and rate of climb I was able to maintain a R/C of 4 to 4.5 ( pegged).

I was in Boeing Flt test starting in the early 60's and a friend of mine who was one of the test pilots, flew Bearcats when he was in the Navy. He told me a favorite maneuver of theirs was a double immelman just after takeoff. I have managed to do that twice from KSEA and was still over the runway when completed. ( I was lucky the FAA wasn't looking.--grin).

I will admit I am no expert but it seems to me there is nothing wrong with with how this plane flies.

Tom
 
Just as a sidenote, make sure those little dive brakes are fully retracted or they will slow you down considerably.
 
THibben-All I could get out of it was 40 inches of manifold pressure, held the brakes and when it took off she was a lazy dog. By the way,that's the way everyone flew them. It was spectacular the way it launched itself in the air, as compared to the stodgey old Hellcats. It was a pure display of power. These so called "experts" that ease the power on, never saw a Bearcat in action.
They even showed up the jets of the day, with the jets slow spool ups and no afterburner. The take off stunts came to a halt when one guy crumpled up about two foot of wing tip doing a snap roll on take off. The F8-F was something else when it came to airplanes and has never been duplicated. I was lucky to see them in action.
 
Helldiver,

If you haven't tried it already, I would go go to the control panel/add remove programs and remove the F8F. Also go into FSX/simobjects and remove any reference to the F8f. Restart the computer and reinstall the Bearcat. Hopefully this will reset whatever is causing your problem. If you are using a throttle make sure it is calibrated for full throw.

Mine has had full power from the first time I installed so yours shoul work also.

Thanks for your time in the service. Working around airplanes is fun, I know as I did it for 33 years.
You have about 6 years on me so I was in the jet age all of the time.

We will get yours working.

Tom
 
Bob, could it possibly be a controller calibration issue? You said you could only get 40in of MP - sounds as if even when your throttle is open, it's not reading as fully open in the sim. What do you use for a throttle control?
 
Check the dead zones assigned to the throttle control. I had a small dead zone applied to mine and it kept me from assigning full power with the power lever. Took out the dead zone, and I was able to go to full power agan.
 
Helldiver,

Go into your aircraft.cfg file (....Microsoft Flight Simulator X/simobjects/airplanes/VS_ F8F/aircraft) and verify that the section under [piston_engine] is the same as below. Especially the item, max_design_mp=60.0. If it is anything but 60.0 change it to 60.0. Make sure you backup the aircraft.cfg before you change it. Also at the very top of the .cfg file verify the version # is 1.1.22102010. That is the patch.

Hope this is the problem.

Tom

[piston_engine]
//Pratt & Whitney R-2800-30W
cylinder_displacement= 155.81
compression_ratio= 6.8
number_of_cylinders= 18
max_rated_rpm= 2800.00
max_rated_hp= 2250.00
fuel_metering_type= 2
cooling_type= 0
normalized_starter_torque= 0.3
turbocharged= 1
max_design_mp= 60.0
min_design_mp= 8.0
critical_altitude= 18500.00
emergency_boost_type= 0
emergency_boost_mp_offset= 0.000
emergency_boost_gain_offset= 0.000
fuel_air_auto_mixture=1
auto_ignition= 0
max_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar=1.000000
idle_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar=1.000000
max_rpm_friction_scalar=1.000000
idle_rpm_friction_scalar=1.000000
power_scalar=1.00
 
Helldiver said:
Now when the Bearcat takes off, I was aways amazed and thrilled how much it surged ahead when the throttles were opened. It always was a sight to see since you had a lightweight fighter that was all engine. In 400 to 500 feet the tail was up and well within 1000 feet, the wheels had left the ground. There was a stunt on taking off, when they where the F8 would do a loop and land right back on the runway.
This plane is a dog. I only can get it of a 2500 foot runway unless I use flaps. I don't know how you change things here, but the F8-F Bearcat as configured, is a dog.
Woof!
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Well Helldiver, with version 1.1 I was able to do just that: F8 would do a loop and land right back on the runway.
What's the version you have installed ????
Italo
 
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