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Nemeth Designs Aerospatiale SA2 Samson released
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peter12213
FSX Acceleration!
This is one I really really want but as roger said with this time of year and short budgets looks like it's going to have to wait, so many releases so little money, frustrating as hell!
warchild
Charter Member
Wellllll. there used to be an artist Named Roger Dean, and he did a whole bunch of album covers back in the sixties and seventies.. Many of them had Flying islands like the ones seen on Pandora, and they were inspired by the topography around the isle of Wight.. of course, the isle of Wight hasnt been a jungle for several million years but eh. what the hell.. beats ore corn fields and flat land.. got lots of that in the world already..
Hmmmmmmm......
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Perhaps an added "realism" by Nemeth, but most definately unwanted by me!
Started from Volkel AB (where else?
), and immediately i get non visibility from the VC.
Not really flyable!
Already tried some climate settings in the VC, but no result.
Wanted the bird to fly for fun, not for gazillion "realistic" settings and manual readings. Now i'm off to read the
manual
Edit: De-ice functional, except that one part that de-fogs.....The ECS temperature setting knob....
Think this chopper is a tropical environment only bird for now.
Edit 2: Flying from a desert environment does not really solve the problem. Flying from Kandahar, Afgh. i had the same fog in the VC when above approx 3000ft AGL. A steep nose down resulted in a steering lock (in nose down position) and crash.
Gonna post this stuff at Nemeths site sometime this weekend. It almost feels like i'm beta-testing here.....but i already purchased the bird.
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Perhaps an added "realism" by Nemeth, but most definately unwanted by me!
Started from Volkel AB (where else?
), and immediately i get non visibility from the VC.Not really flyable!
Already tried some climate settings in the VC, but no result.
Wanted the bird to fly for fun, not for gazillion "realistic" settings and manual readings. Now i'm off to read the
manualEdit: De-ice functional, except that one part that de-fogs.....The ECS temperature setting knob....
Think this chopper is a tropical environment only bird for now.
Edit 2: Flying from a desert environment does not really solve the problem. Flying from Kandahar, Afgh. i had the same fog in the VC when above approx 3000ft AGL. A steep nose down resulted in a steering lock (in nose down position) and crash.
Gonna post this stuff at Nemeths site sometime this weekend. It almost feels like i'm beta-testing here.....but i already purchased the bird.
Roadburner440
Charter Member 2010
Glad to see some people are enjoying it. I really had fun beta testing this aircraft, and we really were pushing back and forth to try to balance "realism" with "fun/imagination." I think the aircraft represents that perfect balance.
Download and flying for about 30 minues. Always seem to get into an uncontrolable death spirial when reducing power and making a turn. The nose drops suddenly unable to recover. Sound set is a bit odd. Sounds buzzie and is annoying after a few mintues. Pit and textures are very nice, but the flying model will take some practice - which is what a sim is all about I guess. ;-)
peter12213
FSX Acceleration!
I suppose Its meant to be advanced lol, Ive never flown her but it is a future machine designed for non terestrial use, from the pics the only thing I can fault is the door gunners arn't wearing those face screen masks, can't wait to buy this one, unfortunately I'm going to have to wait though! :salute: Wheel chair access looks bad though lol...ohh yeah right he was an avatar 
count me out, why?
I have been a highly dedicated Supporter since their 1st release in FS9 but sorry this has been bugging the living hell out of me for the past several months as
I've seen forums and my concerns are that some of the beta testers these days are pointless (this is not all I'm talking about, but a large number)
its becoming across the boards these days if you kiss @ss and suck up you can become a developer or a beta tester regardless of your real life or fsx experience
Its sad because there a huge number of experienced real life pilots who would pick up on the problems that beta testers fail to pick up
I feel sorry for the original hard working developer, who at the end of the day receives all the flak because of these beta testers, which is crap, developers have done all the hard work and have been let down by people doing the beta testing.
after the last few bug filled releases i might take my chances with alphasim or abacus
please don't take this as a jealousy post, i struggle to figure out how work cfgs files on the best of days, and there is no way i want any form of expectation placed on me
the past 12mths ND has dramatically gone down hill in my eyes and many of the guys I fly
Rant over, and sorry about the grammar I'm drugged up on pain killers ( football injury)
If this is read by any other developer, please take note and choose your beta teams and texture teams wisely and carefully
I have been a highly dedicated Supporter since their 1st release in FS9 but sorry this has been bugging the living hell out of me for the past several months as
I've seen forums and my concerns are that some of the beta testers these days are pointless (this is not all I'm talking about, but a large number)
its becoming across the boards these days if you kiss @ss and suck up you can become a developer or a beta tester regardless of your real life or fsx experience
Its sad because there a huge number of experienced real life pilots who would pick up on the problems that beta testers fail to pick up
I feel sorry for the original hard working developer, who at the end of the day receives all the flak because of these beta testers, which is crap, developers have done all the hard work and have been let down by people doing the beta testing.
after the last few bug filled releases i might take my chances with alphasim or abacus
please don't take this as a jealousy post, i struggle to figure out how work cfgs files on the best of days, and there is no way i want any form of expectation placed on me
the past 12mths ND has dramatically gone down hill in my eyes and many of the guys I fly
Rant over, and sorry about the grammar I'm drugged up on pain killers ( football injury)
If this is read by any other developer, please take note and choose your beta teams and texture teams wisely and carefully
The drugs are seriously affecting you. Where, do you think, do you obtain experienced beta testers from with hands on experience of a product that doesn't exist from a world that doesn't exist...?
I'd suggest you go lie down till the drugs wear off!
The only fault with a beta test team lies with the developer for failing to manage them properly. Enthusiasm and Ability don't always go hand-in-hand, but if you don't have BOTH the product is subs-standard after the testing stage, if enthusiast and expert are not handled correctly.
Its ALWAYS the developers fault, not the unpaid beta testers.
I'd suggest you go lie down till the drugs wear off!
The only fault with a beta test team lies with the developer for failing to manage them properly. Enthusiasm and Ability don't always go hand-in-hand, but if you don't have BOTH the product is subs-standard after the testing stage, if enthusiast and expert are not handled correctly.
Its ALWAYS the developers fault, not the unpaid beta testers.
The drugs are seriously affecting you. Where, do you think, do you obtain experienced beta testers from with hands on experience of a product that doesn't exist from a world that doesn't exist...?
I'd suggest you go lie down till the drugs wear off!
The only fault with a beta test team lies with the developer for failing to manage them properly. Enthusiasm and Ability don't always go hand-in-hand, but if you don't have BOTH the product is subs-standard after the testing stage, if enthusiast and expert are not handled correctly.
Its ALWAYS the developers fault, not the unpaid beta testers.
beg to differ bud, developers aret there to wipe @sses, they release it for testing and expect testing to be carried out, like us we buy it and it suppose to work
when i pay for something i want it to work, i dont want to find out after the install that the simplest things don't work ,its not the end user to beta test it because beta testers failed to pick it up for example the radio nav gear on the huey- a quote from the original poster "Any IFR-rated pilot should have realised that."
As i said its not all of the betas are the problem there is a fair few, they just want to get the model early to show off screen shots and brag to mates or just think they know everything because they have been using fsx for over 1 yr and ive seen that first hand
and i know for a fact of a few others beta testers who have only been a passenger in a tube and have no other experience but only got the job because the gift of the gab and can kiss ass till the cows come to get the role of a flight systems and handling beta. Or one mate has flown with another mate online and suggested him to a developer.
I have several close mates in fs who are pay/free ware developers who constantly sack beta testers as they fail to do anything constructive. now they almost got through a job interview style to approve or disapprove
But a change in pace there are some labels who a fantastic job ensuring beta testers are doing thier job,, my hat comes off to you guys
its not the end users role to pick up these things its the betas, if you are a real beta tester and did you job you wouldn't be offended.......
Rubbish m8. It's not the beta testers that supply you the product, it's the developers. Faults with released product are their problem, and theirs alone. No beta test team can deal with every possible variation in system and setup. Even MS recognise that!
But what developers CAN do is adopt a professional approach to the testing and implementation of their product and tell the beta testers what to test, when, even HOW.
The money you pay goes into the developers pockets, not unpaid beta testers. That's why legally, morally and any other way you want to look at it your criticism is against those that produce the product and not mere testers. And there is the issue of testers who report a fault - only to have the developers completely ignore it and release the rubbish anyway. Captain Sim and Carenado are particularly `good` at that...
But agreed, elimination of these obvious faults that should have been picked up before release needs to be a bigger priority and many are not picked up due to incompetence in testing. Proper test protocols can be borrowed from many places on the `net and would enable these businesses to offer less substandard product to the end user from the outset, if they actually acted more as proper developers and less as kitchen table fake entrepreneurs with a `throw out any old rubbish` mentality.
I mean, releasing a DC-3 that has cowl flaps on models that didn't have them? Temp gauges that are completely inappropriate for the temperatures the flight model is sending? Come on! it's 2010, not 1876! What possible excuse can there be for failing to pick up such obvious faults? The only conclusion is that they either don't care, or think so little of the customer that they think it will do. Well it won't.
In other software environments, staged payments are the way business is conducted - Percentages of the overall contract are paid upon satisfactory completion of milestones, with final payment only on completion of full contract, including a suitable `in use` period during which the developer fixes things which aren't right, or else they don't get their money.
I wonder how payware developers in the sim world would react to only getting paid after it was right? Might they get cowl flaps and temperature gauges right from the get-go if there were financial consequences to not delivering something that was correct?
But what developers CAN do is adopt a professional approach to the testing and implementation of their product and tell the beta testers what to test, when, even HOW.
The money you pay goes into the developers pockets, not unpaid beta testers. That's why legally, morally and any other way you want to look at it your criticism is against those that produce the product and not mere testers. And there is the issue of testers who report a fault - only to have the developers completely ignore it and release the rubbish anyway. Captain Sim and Carenado are particularly `good` at that...
But agreed, elimination of these obvious faults that should have been picked up before release needs to be a bigger priority and many are not picked up due to incompetence in testing. Proper test protocols can be borrowed from many places on the `net and would enable these businesses to offer less substandard product to the end user from the outset, if they actually acted more as proper developers and less as kitchen table fake entrepreneurs with a `throw out any old rubbish` mentality.
I mean, releasing a DC-3 that has cowl flaps on models that didn't have them? Temp gauges that are completely inappropriate for the temperatures the flight model is sending? Come on! it's 2010, not 1876! What possible excuse can there be for failing to pick up such obvious faults? The only conclusion is that they either don't care, or think so little of the customer that they think it will do. Well it won't.
In other software environments, staged payments are the way business is conducted - Percentages of the overall contract are paid upon satisfactory completion of milestones, with final payment only on completion of full contract, including a suitable `in use` period during which the developer fixes things which aren't right, or else they don't get their money.
I wonder how payware developers in the sim world would react to only getting paid after it was right? Might they get cowl flaps and temperature gauges right from the get-go if there were financial consequences to not delivering something that was correct?
allcott, jeansy;
I am a pay'd Beta-tester in this subject! I purchased the bird, and i feel i'm Beta-testing it ever since, due to the fact that i have not been able to fly the chopper straight for 10 minutes. Great you fooks have your discussion here, but let's keep it to topic; The experiences with the Aerospatiale SA-2 Samson!
Anyone else have troubles with this rotorcraft, and anyone else have trouble to find the support forum for this particular bird???
I am a pay'd Beta-tester in this subject! I purchased the bird, and i feel i'm Beta-testing it ever since, due to the fact that i have not been able to fly the chopper straight for 10 minutes. Great you fooks have your discussion here, but let's keep it to topic; The experiences with the Aerospatiale SA-2 Samson!
Anyone else have troubles with this rotorcraft, and anyone else have trouble to find the support forum for this particular bird???
I was looking forward to getting this and almost did last night. I decided to wait until today. Now my decision to purchase the SA2 Samson has been put on hold until whatever issues there are get resolved. Whatever that may be.
.....Maybe it would be better to post the issues on the Nemeth forum. Then again, it was announced here so I would think Ryan would be here reading the feedback.
.....Maybe it would be better to post the issues on the Nemeth forum. Then again, it was announced here so I would think Ryan would be here reading the feedback.
I just wish there was an "easystart" option. Should have known better following the purchase of another Nemeth bird. I have absolutely no interest in going through complex start up precedures on a mythical heli - If I want that sort of realism, I'll go back to the Dodo or Cera birds. 
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