Wilco Harrier (Download version released!)

[dougal]

last ones, and I have made them small...

 

[bazzar]

A lovely Birthday Present, thanks, many was the time when we had SHARs come out an "bow" to us when taking our warship out on family day (at least before I became a submariner).

My only moans are from the manual (but it is important to an ex-matelot to heap abuse on the right people)

1. the Fleet Air Arm are part of the Royal Navy (WAFUSs-Wet and F***ing useless in Jack speak) and not the RAF (crabs)

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and-support/fleet-air-arm/about-fleet-air-arm/index.htm

2. USAAF!!! I think that they disappeared back in 1947

Picky I know.

No, not picky at all. A couple of well-known typing errors (for Goons fans) slipping in. I'll get them changed.

 

[guzler]

I'm not wanting to spend money on flight simming at the moment, but I feel my resistance is weak with this one !

 

[ZsoltB]

 

[bruce448]

I currently have not got this model at the moment, having spent nearly 15 years on the Harrier (RN FA2).

The auxiliary air intake doors look as though they are working the wrong way round from the screenies that I have seen, the door themselves are pivoted and free to move (ie no linkage control to the engine or control surfaces) and are used to give extra airflow into the engine at little or no fwd airspeed, fwd movement will cause an over-pressue within the intake and force the doors to close. See below

Static Engine
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in the hover
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Forward flight
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Bruce

 

[Chris Sykes]

Rob, i will try to get on FSX tonight so i can report back to you with your questions, i could answer most of them but would like to make sure i get them right...

What i would say about the intake doors is that they are not the wrong way round, but wrongly implimented instead... coded to open at lower airspeeds would be more realistic than throttle movement... Bazzar is this coded in model or a XML code gauge???

 

[dougal]

I know it's in this thread somewhere, but rather than read the whole thing again, can someone remind me how to remove the fuel filler pipe?

Thanks

 

[UKMIL]

I currently have not got this model at the moment, having spent nearly 15 years on the Harrier (RN FA2).

The auxiliary air intake doors look as though they are working the wrong way round from the screenies that I have seen, the door themselves are pivoted and free to move (ie no linkage control to the engine or control surfaces) and are used to give extra airflow into the engine at little or no fwd airspeed, fwd movement will cause an over-pressue within the intake and force the doors to close. the main difference of the harrier, is that the doors as mentioned are on a hinge, and loose, so the upper ones simply fall open with gravity when static, and the lower ones stay closed with gravity, but on engine start, they are sucked open
See below

Static Engine
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in the hover
View attachment 37765

Forward flight
View attachment 37766

Bruce

exactly what I said. I have over 20 years in the RAF and aux doors are the same on the harrier, tornado, jag etc. They work initially on air pressure in the intake, and thus get sucked open, but as forward speed increases, eventually the pressure equalisesk, and the doors are forced closed. As also mentioned, this is simple to reproduce in FSX, as I have done on my GR7 pack.
http://youtu.be/2kUiv_shk4k

I can happliy instruct how to make yours do this, for a percentage of sales

 

[peter12213]

Zsolt your paints are stunning mate!!! Can you or someone do Sharkey Wards Harrier from the Falklands war?

 

[Chris Sykes]

Hi Chris,

Of course I'm willing to help solve this problem, although I can't understand yet why this happens with your particular setup. (has nothing to do with FSUIPC by the way).
So a few questions first; please answer all of them.

1. I assume you read the actual nozzle setting from the 2D-display gauge ??
(via menu Views-InstrumentPanel-VTOLgauge)

2. If you repeat this sequence of CTRL+F1 and CTRL+F4 a few times, does it always give the same result when you watch this display gauge ??

3. In menu Options-Settings-Controls, tab Button/Keys, is:
- CTRL+F1 assigned to function "Propeller (Low RPM)"
and
- CTRL+F4 assigned to function "Propeller (High RPM)"
??

4. What is the indicated framerate on your system when you try this ??
(press Shift-Z one or two times to have FSX display the actual Frames/Sec)

5.What's the interval time between two keypresses of CTRL+F1 or CTRL+F4 ??
(try at least 0.5 sec, so don't keep the keys depressed continuously)

6. And most important:
In menu Options-Settings-Controls, tab ControlAxis:
For ALL controllers in the pull-down list under ControllerType: is there ANY axis assigned to either the Event "Engine 1 propeller axis" or "Propeller axis" ??

Rob

Hi Rob,

Have just fired up FSX and checked these out...

1. Yes thats correct, using Shift+6, the 98.5 is 100 on the gauge if that confused you. After double checking on the first Ctrl+F1 it actually goes to about 24 Degrees from 0 Degrees
2. Yes thats correct, doesnt matter how many times i try same each time
3. Yes to both
4. A steady 12 - 15 FPS, either in VC or external view with gauge visable
5. More than 0.5 seconds
6. Yes under the title of "Saitek X52 Flight Control System" i have the "Propeller Axis" assigned, i have tried without this assigned and also as "Engine 1 Propeller Axis"

Hope you can figure this out!:salute:

 

[AndyE1976]

Zsolt your paints are stunning mate!!! Can you or someone do Sharkey Wards Harrier from the Falklands war?

It's in the pack, 007 from 801 Sqdn. According to his book that one had the best radar, but he didn't necessarily have one Harrier that was his.

 

[rcbarend]

Hi Rob,

Have just fired up FSX and checked these out...

1. Yes thats correct, using Shift+6, the 98.5 is 100 on the gauge if that confused you. After double checking on the first Ctrl+F1 it actually goes to about 24 Degrees from 0 Degrees
2. Yes thats correct, doesnt matter how many times i try same each time
3. Yes to both
4. A steady 12 - 15 FPS, either in VC or external view with gauge visable
5. More than 0.5 seconds
6. Yes under the title of "Saitek X52 Flight Control System" i have the "Propeller Axis" assigned, i have tried without this assigned and also as "Engine 1 Propeller Axis"

Hope you can figure this out!:salute:

No, this has me stumped ....:isadizzy:
First of all, when you have an axis for Prop lever on your stick (and actually use it), there's no point in using these "snap" keystrokes as well; reason for that is, that if you use a keystroke, obviously the lever is in the wrong position afterwards; even worse, if the lever "jitters" even a little bit in that position (which is quite normal if the lever is not in its idle position), FS immediately reacts to it and sets the new position again as dictated by the lever.

To exclude this possibility, can you please test the following exactly as described:

1. IMPORTANT: Remove ALL possible assigments to "Propeller axis" and "Engine 1 Propeller Axis"
For ALL controllers that FSX sees (under ControllerType).

2. Load the Harrier fresh, via menu Aircraft. Without doing anything else.

3. Open the VTOLgauge 2D window.
The green needle should indicate 0 degrees. Right ?

4. Now, press CTRL+F1 a few times, and after each keypress, observe the position of the green needle. At each keystroke it should progress to the next dotted green line.
(resp. at 50, 80, and 98 degrees).
If it doesn't, what values do you read on the display after each keypress ??

5. Same as 4. but now starting from full nozzles (98), and using CNTR+F4.

Maybe it appears you've already done this test, but I want to make sure that:
- The problem isn't caused by a Prop lever "jittering"; because there's nothing I can do about that.
- That this occurs also right after initial load, without having done anything with PropPitch or STOlever in the VC.
I'm afraid this is the only way I can pinpoint this problem, because (as far as I know) you appear to be the only person having this problem at the moment. By the way, that doesn't exclude the possibility of a "bug"; just that "something" behaves different on your setup, making it happen like you describe.
And I surely want to find out what's causing it .... So you have my full attention

Rob

PS:
Just some additional info: the problem of "jittering" controller axis interfering with keystroke commands for the same function, is as old as FS itself. (not saying this is the case here of course).
I don't know how long you are a MSFS user, but if you have used various FS versions the frequently reported problem from users that can't activate "reverse thrust" on big airliners via F2, might ring a bell; and is another well-known example of the same problem: a "jittering" Throttle lever overriding F2 (Decrement throttle) commands, thus preventing activation of "reverse thrust".

 

[dougal]

Hi Rob

Just a quick 'hijack' here to say thanks for your PM re my Harrier use. Will indeed keep an eye open.

Having a 'ball' with it

PS Please remind me how to remove the fuel filler pipe?

Cheers

 

[bazzar]

Wonderful pics mate. If you go to page 7 of this thread, there's a pic from the manual, of where the switch is.

 

[bazzar]

Changes to the aux doors are already done. We are doing some other stuff before the next update goes out. We have to try and include as many improvements as we can before the final boxed release.

 

[dvj]

Unable to Hover?

Ok, just got this last night.

Read instructions about 4 times - check
VTOL settings - check
Nozzles set to 80 - check
point into wind - check
parking break set - check
apply a little thrust - check
parking break releases - check

Aircraft does not rise, but moves forward.
Apply more thrust
Aircraft accellerates and perfroms STOL

Unable to hover.
I can maintain about 90 knots in forward movement with nozzles in 80 degree postion, but never a full stop and hover.

So what part of this am I missing?

 

[AndyE1976]

Ok, just got this last night.

Read instructions about 4 times - check
VTOL settings - check
Nozzles set to 80 - check
point into wind - check
parking break set - check
apply a little thrust - check
parking break releases - check

Aircraft does not rise, but moves forward.
Apply more thrust
Aircraft accellerates and perfroms STOL

Unable to hover.
I can maintain about 90 knots in forward movement with nozzles in 80 degree postion, but never a full stop and hover.

So what part of this am I missing?

If you're using a controller rather than the snap keys then try slightly moving the nozzles and also check your take off weight is less than 21000lbs.

On my CH Throttle Quadrant the 80deg mark is right at the idle indent, so I have to apply a little pressure to get it to rise vertically and not move forward or backwards. After a few take-offs in reverse and a bit of practice it's not too hard.

 

[rcbarend]

Ok, just got this last night.

Read instructions about 4 times - check
VTOL settings - check
Nozzles set to 80 - check
point into wind - check
parking break set - check
apply a little thrust - check
parking break releases - check

Aircraft does not rise, but moves forward.
Apply more thrust
Aircraft accellerates and perfroms STOL

Unable to hover.
I can maintain about 90 knots in forward movement with nozzles in 80 degree postion, but never a full stop and hover.

So what part of this am I missing?

Sounds like FSUIPC isn't installed, or isn't working properly.
See the Manual.

- Do you have FSUIPC installed ??
In FSX menu line, there should be an item "Add-ons", with in it "FSUIPC".

- If so: what version is it ??
Click on FSUIPC and read the version number in the ABout tab.

Rob

 

[rcbarend]

On my CH Throttle Quadrant the 80deg mark is right at the idle indent, so I have to apply a little pressure to get it to rise vertically and not move forward or backwards.

Hi Andy,

Not sure what you mean by that.
Open the 2D "VTOLgauge" window, and check this:
1. If the CH Proppitch lever is fully back (0%), the green needle in the display gauge should indicate about 98 degrees.
2. If the CH Proppitch lever is fully forward (100%), the green needle in the display gauge should indicate 0 degrees.

If 1. or 2. fails, your Proppitch lever isn't calibrated properly ...

Also, if the green needle in display gauge indicates 80 degrees, your stick/yoke is centered and ParkingBrakes are Off, the aircraft should hardly move forward or backward on the ground; at sufficient throttle, it should only lift off vertically, unless you are too heavy for vertical takeoff. But if too heavy, it should not accellerate.

Rob

 

[dvj]

Sounds like FSUIPC isn't installed, or isn't working properly.
See the Manual.

- Do you have FSUIPC installed ??
In FSX menu line, there should be an item "Add-ons", with in it "FSUIPC".

- If so: what version is it ??
Click on FSUIPC and read the version number in the ABout tab.

Rob

Egad! My FSUIPC was completely missing. I did some recent software updates. It must have been deleted. Anyway. All is fine now. Totally different "feel" to the aircraft. Amazing, just Amazing! :salute::salute::salute: