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Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.
Why was the Nemeth / Piracy thread locked ?
- Thread starter Paul K
- Start date
Why not just let people have an ongoing discussion and let it expire through natural causes ? Every conversation veers off topic to some degree as new opinions are posted and reacted to. The subject of piracy ( an important one in this hobby ) is merely being talked about, not condoned or practised. There is no reason to lock this thread, is there ?
michael davies
Charter Member 2012
The problem is, people want to have their say, everytime it is squashed it re appears in another guise, a bit like that arcade Gophers game
. Eventually it will die of its own accord if left to run its course. You can either let it run with out interaction (hardly desirable or mature), let it run with close observation and interaction (preferable) or simple ban all conversation on the matter (people will simply go elsewhere).The forum exists for one simple reason, flight sim, of which 90% of topics are based on addons, very little is based on the core product, if those addons cease or decline (which they currently are) then there is less reason for a forum per se.
The issue has always been thorny and will continue to be as it becomes more prevalent, you can either ignore it and deal with the fall out later, or continually attempt to keep it in check. Acceptance of the issue is not condonancy, though I accept to some it may appear that way.
Finally, keep up the good work.
Kindest
Michael
Naismith
Charter Member
I absolutely NEVER know what's going on!!
It's like there's a whole world going on around me that I keep missing.....
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
- Arthur Dent
N2056
Charter Member
Thanks for the comments and understanding. One thing I won't do unless there's a very good reason to is lock a thread without some sort of warning given first, which was the intent of my first reply to this post. Sometimes it might not be the best wording...but it seems to work most of the time.
I try to participate when I can. During working hours I'm not really able to actually post much, and in the case of the thread that got locked it was all over and done by the time I got home from work!
I try to participate when I can. During working hours I'm not really able to actually post much, and in the case of the thread that got locked it was all over and done by the time I got home from work!
fsafranek
SOH-CM-2024
As I get older I find more and more often when I open a new browser window to search for something that I get sidetracked by something I see and sometimes forget why I even opened up the new window. So when folks include a link that will take me directly to what they're talking about I really appreciate it. That said, here is the link to the subject mentioned in the quote above.
http://www.justin.tv/tenminutetaxi/b/288712939
Thanks for the heads up Phantom. it was an interesting episode.
:ernae:
Francois
FS Veteran
You know what I like about Facebook ? It is not moderated, and I can write what I want, and ignore whom I want.
The original Nemeth thread was already closed when I found it... yeah, I'm always late... so I commented on Facebook instead. Works for me all the time
The one good thing written in THIS thread is the advice to NOT look at forums and such first thing before having your morning coffee.... with this overcrowded world of today and the extremely low level of decency resulting, it is a recipe for ruining your day indeed. :salute:
The original Nemeth thread was already closed when I found it... yeah, I'm always late... so I commented on Facebook instead. Works for me all the time
The one good thing written in THIS thread is the advice to NOT look at forums and such first thing before having your morning coffee.... with this overcrowded world of today and the extremely low level of decency resulting, it is a recipe for ruining your day indeed. :salute:
TeaSea
SOH-CM-2014
Fancois.....
at least I'm not the only one who has no idea what's going on half the time....
Unlike you though, I absolutely HATE facebook. Probably because my brother posts every inane little thing that comes across his mind.
I'm really tired of seeing pictures he takes up his nose.....
Roger on the coffee....
at least I'm not the only one who has no idea what's going on half the time....
Unlike you though, I absolutely HATE facebook. Probably because my brother posts every inane little thing that comes across his mind.
I'm really tired of seeing pictures he takes up his nose.....
Roger on the coffee....
fsafranek
SOH-CM-2024
Introduce your brother to twitter. Seems more and more twits are using facebook to tweet. I don't care what you're having for breakfast.
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Something that has been mentioned on this, and other, forums is that anti-piracy software exists but is priced beyond the means of small developers.
Not being an 'industry insider' I am groping in the dark a little, but would it not be possible to create an association of flight sim developers under the aegis of one body ( Avsim, for example) and make a license for such software available at reduced cost for a fixed annual subscription ?
Not being an 'industry insider' I am groping in the dark a little, but would it not be possible to create an association of flight sim developers under the aegis of one body ( Avsim, for example) and make a license for such software available at reduced cost for a fixed annual subscription ?
Francois
FS Veteran
I don't think it will be worth the trouble, personally. Also, as much as we all love this hobby, consumers and developers alike, there is very little 'unity' in our ranks and I would be really intrigued to see who would be able to unite enough developers under any one 'organization'. Almost ALL of the groups have hidden agendas or other interests that are not always as obvious as one might think.
The larger outfits such as Aerosoft have their own solution. So smaller devs can join them (AE would love that I am sure). In the end, NO solution is really available with the exception of including a continuous on-line check into the software. Something that is VERY difficult to do in FSX add-ons and something most customers are fiercely against!
Personally, I am in the camp of those who believe that the majority of 'free downloaders' are not our real customers anyway and the ones that ARE will pay for their products by and large.
Texts such as Nemeth posted are just out of frustration, but really not very realistic. Anyone thinking he can make a living out of just designing add-ons for FS, missed a turn somewhere to begin with. Those - the vast majority - who do it for pleasure with a nice additional pocket money coming in, are not hurt by those pirates in any significant way.
And yes, I DO understand the frustration of seeing your hard work on a dozen piracy sites and forums, but getting all upset about it is only wrecking ones own life, and never theirs.
The larger outfits such as Aerosoft have their own solution. So smaller devs can join them (AE would love that I am sure). In the end, NO solution is really available with the exception of including a continuous on-line check into the software. Something that is VERY difficult to do in FSX add-ons and something most customers are fiercely against!
Personally, I am in the camp of those who believe that the majority of 'free downloaders' are not our real customers anyway and the ones that ARE will pay for their products by and large.
Texts such as Nemeth posted are just out of frustration, but really not very realistic. Anyone thinking he can make a living out of just designing add-ons for FS, missed a turn somewhere to begin with. Those - the vast majority - who do it for pleasure with a nice additional pocket money coming in, are not hurt by those pirates in any significant way.
And yes, I DO understand the frustration of seeing your hard work on a dozen piracy sites and forums, but getting all upset about it is only wrecking ones own life, and never theirs.
Chuck_Jodry-VJPL
Charter Member
FS Secure Delivery was born this day , after discussions with a number of associates a system is now offered to the independent producers who wish to incorporate software protection in their releases.
The system is a complete Ecommerce solution , licence issuing , licence check , distribution and reports, available with a range of features to suit the needs and degree of security desired , licence verification with every use to the less intrusive installers, hacking will be back traceable to the original licence and that licence can be terminated, with auto licence verification any hacked versions can be terminated as well.
The FS Secure Delivery system was developed from proven systems by established pioneers in the field of Flight Sim Security, it’s been a couple of years now that not having these systems was the politically correct choice but it’s become an untenable situation , releases are going on the torrents within hous and Developers cannot recoup their basic investment, and as a result are not going to be able to continue, it’s become unaffordable .
There is a loose confederacy of independent developers , an international group with offices on MSN and Skype ( soon to be the same i suspect) with whom i have worked through the course of numerous projects, we get together with some regularity using VoIP and text, this new FS Secure Delivery Wrapper will be incorporated in upcoming releases , as i work with a number of companies they will be the first using it.
The option of joining the group using the system is open to developers who wish to do so, there are a few that are not in the `` MSN Dev’s Sandbox `` who are invited to contact me to get an overview of the particulars .
It’s time for the piracy plague to be terminated , while making sure legitimate customers are as free from grief as possible is paramount, it’s an unfortunate reality that there are far more illegitimate users, the net consequence is that the survival of the groups who produce these is at stake without a protection system being used to prevent piracy .
The system is a complete Ecommerce solution , licence issuing , licence check , distribution and reports, available with a range of features to suit the needs and degree of security desired , licence verification with every use to the less intrusive installers, hacking will be back traceable to the original licence and that licence can be terminated, with auto licence verification any hacked versions can be terminated as well.
The FS Secure Delivery system was developed from proven systems by established pioneers in the field of Flight Sim Security, it’s been a couple of years now that not having these systems was the politically correct choice but it’s become an untenable situation , releases are going on the torrents within hous and Developers cannot recoup their basic investment, and as a result are not going to be able to continue, it’s become unaffordable .
There is a loose confederacy of independent developers , an international group with offices on MSN and Skype ( soon to be the same i suspect) with whom i have worked through the course of numerous projects, we get together with some regularity using VoIP and text, this new FS Secure Delivery Wrapper will be incorporated in upcoming releases , as i work with a number of companies they will be the first using it.
The option of joining the group using the system is open to developers who wish to do so, there are a few that are not in the `` MSN Dev’s Sandbox `` who are invited to contact me to get an overview of the particulars .
It’s time for the piracy plague to be terminated , while making sure legitimate customers are as free from grief as possible is paramount, it’s an unfortunate reality that there are far more illegitimate users, the net consequence is that the survival of the groups who produce these is at stake without a protection system being used to prevent piracy .