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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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T-38A Is OUT!

I am pleased to see that you are enjoying this great model :icon_lol:
Here's a documentary that will tell you how it is to take a ride in a real Talon.
This video from Beale AFB is long, but you will learn a lot about this special aircraft.
For those with patience: http://vimeo.com/groups/aviation/videos/19124023

Keep training, and you will find our next release (F-15) easy to fly :cost1:
 
Skyhawk18 said:
I am pleased to see that you are enjoying this great model :icon_lol:
Here's a documentary that will tell you how it is to take a ride in a real Talon.
This video from Beale AFB is long, but you will learn a lot about this special aircraft.
For those with patience: http://vimeo.com/groups/aviation/videos/19124023

Keep training, and you will find our next release (F-15) easy to fly :cost1:
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Right. I talked with a USAF pilot 15 or more years ago about the T-38, in short, the Talon was flown very carefully, with a delicate touch like milking a mouse. The F-15 has wonderful low speed flight handling by comparison.

In addition, he said he and the IP rarely went supersonic. Once through the sound barrier the handling was different. If I recall, stick input produced about one-third of aircraft response with a great danger that if you dropped your speed to subsonic with the stick in that position then the aircraft would respond with great quickness making high G and loss of flight control possible.

That's the best I can remember.
 
Crashed on takeoff... I'm going to like this one! Well done:salute:

This is the plane that will get me to spring for the new processor.
 
wilycoyote4 said:
Right. I talked with a USAF pilot 15 or more years ago about the T-38, in short, the Talon was flown very carefully, with a delicate touch like milking a mouse. The F-15 has wonderful low speed flight handling by comparison.

In addition, he said he and the IP rarely went supersonic. Once through the sound barrier the handling was different. If I recall, stick input produced about one-third of aircraft response with a great danger that if you dropped your speed to subsonic with the stick in that position then the aircraft would respond with great quickness making high G and loss of flight control possible.

That's the best I can remember.
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Willy, most, if not all of the pre-fly-by-wire, computer driven fighters were that way. A series of bellows and weights were used for stick feel. In the trans-supersonic region, you had to careful to not over G the aircraft.

The only time you really did hard pulling was in 1 v 1 and you never went supersonic unless it was to unload and get the heck out of dodge.
 
jmig said:
Jim when I was in pilot training my IP once told me, "If you can fly the T-38, you can fly anything."

I would like to clear up a misconception. The T-38 is not a hard plane to fly. 50,000 and counting pilots can attest to my previous sentence. However, you have to fly the T-38. It was designed and still is an advanced trainer.

When the plane was built, the term "Widow Maker" applied to several of the current fighters. The reason was pilots were coming out of the T-33, which is a very easy plane to fly and going into swept wing, delta wing fighters with very different flight characteristics, especially in landing. So the T-38 was created to teach pilot how to handle these airplane in a two seat IP controlled environment.

One of the problems with the Century series fighters was the speed in which things happen. Pilots would not be prepared for this and get behind the airplane. Getting behind the airplane in a fighter will kill you. The T-38 allowed you to get up to the speed of the aircraft. A true story. One which I still remember as clear as day some 40 years later.

In my T-38 dollar ride I was in the back seat. I remember pumping the brakes, seeing the engine RPM gauges to to 100%, brake release, feeling the ABs, and seeing the nozzles swing open. The next thing I recall is climbing out of traffic and the IP was contacting departure control. I was behind the aircraft. :icon_lol: At this point I had over 200 hours of flying time.

Enjoy the Milviz T-38. Just give yourself time and patience to learn to fly. It takes the average student pilot 12-14 hours to solo the bird. Learn to fly it and you will experience one of the most faithfully accurate aircraft within the limits of FSX.
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I remember talking to a couple of B-52H Drivers about their time flying the T-37 & T-38. Was interesting but what stuck out in my mind was when they bluntly told me that students who weren't cutting it by a certain number of hours in T-37's were washed out as it was deemed they would be unable to safely transition to and master the T-38 within the projected schedule slots. One of my high school friends got his AF Wings back in the 80's and I remember him coming in one weekend in a T-38 just before he transitioned to the C-9. He told me the IP's were super strict on a SP's ability to maintain preciseness(envelope-speeds/altitude) in traffic patterns in the 38.
 
The major differences in the t-38 and most aircraft you may be familiar with stem from the small thin profile wing (such as it is). Two items, a small AOA range (at least you don't have to chase it all over the place) and a generally high thrust setting, even on approach. 92% seems to be a recurring RPM value, especially on approach.

Think you have the stuff to be a hot shot USAF fighter pilot, ya have to show mastery of the T-38 first.

Not easy, not impossible, satisfying to master.

T
 
Is anyone working on repaints? I am loving this aircraft -- finally feeling good in the pattern -- time for some Solo cross country.

Chris
 
Speed and more speed

I think the hardest part of flying the T38A is speed. I have a strong urge to slow down in the pattern and then the buffet sounds hit the subwoofer and my desk starts dancing. Gets my attention!! Great video too! Thanks Gunnar. I noticed in the video how the aircraft vibrates in the turn to final. AND to think we call the C124 ' Old Shakey '

Oh, the rudder, how much rudder do you use to coordinate a turn? The Talon has me scared to even touch the rudder in the pattern unless absolutely necessary. How much lead do I take out of my shoes? :icon_lol:

Amazing that I haven't crashed this airplane . . . yet.

Jim
 
I have not read every line in the manual but think I have a malfunctioning engine rpm gauge. At least I have never seen one that moves lower when the throttle is advanced. Appears to move backwards during the 0- approx 80% throttle setting. In other words starts at 80% idle then indicates lower as throttle is advanced. Actually goes from 80% down to zero as I move the throttle. Then just before where the afterburner kicks in it jumps up to 80% and then moves higher towards 100%.
Saitek x52 default settings. Afterburner indent and settings works well on all other jets.
 
"Oh, the rudder, how much rudder do you use to coordinate a turn? The Talon has me scared to even touch the rudder in the pattern unless absolutely necessary. How much lead do I take out of my shoes? :icon_lol:"


Keep your feet on the floor in the pattern, lol. There is no need to ever use rudder to coordinate turns - There is a tiny amount of adverse yaw present in this sim and IRL, but it is more of a distraction than a help if you try to compensate for it - you won't feel it and it won't really affect your turn.

There are only a few times when you need to use rudder or it is very useful:

- high alpha turns, when aileron effectiveness is diminished you can step on some rudder to keep the aircraft rolling.

- on the ground for some directional control on takeoff before rotation, or after touchdown with the nosewheel down. On takeoff roll, best technique for crosswind controls is aileron into the wind, and a little differential braking to keep the nose straight. You can use rudder to help keep the nose straight once it becomes effective, just make sure you take it out before you rotate, or you will get an undesireable roll at liftoff.

- never attempt to straighten the nose with rudder when landing in a crosswind - land in a crab just like the real thing. With this aircraft, any rudder inputs at approach speeds (moderately high aoa) will introduce a roll moment that you do not want to be fighting through the landing phase.
 
JIMJAM said:
I have not read every line in the manual but think I have a malfunctioning engine rpm gauge. At least I have never seen one that moves lower when the throttle is advanced. Appears to move backwards during the 0- approx 80% throttle setting. In other words starts at 80% idle then indicates lower as throttle is advanced. Actually goes from 80% down to zero as I move the throttle. Then just before where the afterburner kicks in it jumps up to 80% and then moves higher towards 100%.
Saitek x52 default settings. Afterburner indent and settings works well on all other jets.
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Sounds exactly like nozzle operation. The nozzle gauges really catch your attention because they move almost in concert with the throttles - the actual rpm is very slow to spool up from idle. From top to bottom: RPM, EGT, Nozzles, Fuel Flow.
 
Ok :redface:

It was 1 am last night when I bought the plane. Actually the computer froze during the process and I might have put 3 on my Visa! Eventually got it through Paypal but I need to verify I did not get charged for a couple copies. The t-38 is good but I do not need 3.

I will wait to see a vid of the gauge as its being displayed during flight.
 
JAllen said:
Oh, the rudder, how much rudder do you use to coordinate a turn? The Talon has me scared to even touch the rudder in the pattern unless absolutely necessary. How much lead do I take out of my shoes? :icon_lol:
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Honestly, practically none whatsoever. In a jet like the T-38, the designers gave it "differential ailerons", so that the up aileron sticks up much further, giving extra drag, and thus cancelling out the induced drag of the down aileron. That's why you don't need to use rudders to get a coordinated turn in the T-38.

Here is a link to a terrific story about the T-38A from walk-around to landing:

http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/t38pr.htm

Of particular instance is this quote from the article:
The T-38 can be flown throughout its performance envelope, from aerobatics to patterns and landings, with barely any use of the rudder. With the landing gear retracted, only 6 degrees of rudder deflection is available, and in the landing configuration, 30 degrees is available.

Like an arrow, the Talon goes where it is pointed, not where it is banked. This means that turns are accomplished by banking in the desired direction (thus placing the lift vector where the plane needs to go) and pulling the nose to the desired point. To lower the nose to gain airspeed for an aerobatic maneuver, it is simpler and more comfortable to roll the plane upside down, pull the nose down to the desired pitch, then roll it upright again.
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Here's an interesting story about a "batstrike" during a student's first night solo flight in the T-38A.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/Batstrike.html?c=y&page=1
 
dvj said:
BTW, when I use the "buy now" link and download the file, I get an immediate virus alert from AVG when I extract it. Trojan virus of some type. I'll try and find this model later when released to retailers.

d
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This is a common effect of the anti-piracy coding on anti-virus programs. It is guaranteed to not have a virus. If it does, I will, personally, pay for someone to reinstall all of your software.

You should be good to go.
 
dvj said:
BTW, when I use the "buy now" link and download the file, I get an immediate virus alert from AVG when I extract it. Trojan virus of some type. I'll try and find this model later when released to retailers.

d
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http://www.flight1.com/view.asp?page=wrapperinfo#3

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I get a DLL or other file error message, or my virus scanner gives me a warning.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Unfortunately, one of the most common issues when people can't get software to run is interference from a Virus or Spyware scanner. Although they do good things, in many cases they can interrupt programs you may want to run. If you get an error message that does not appear to be from the downloaded EXE, you need to make sure your virus or spyware scanner is disabled prior to running the EXE. If you are concerned about this, you can scan the file prior to running it, and then after your purchase, if you are prompted to automatically run the setup application, select No, then manually scan the setup application. This is usually extracted right after your purchase is made.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]False-Positive reports with software is common. If you have special concerns, please submit a customer service ticket and we will try to help.[/FONT]​
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Ok I am loving the plane. I enjoy the balancing a marble on a razer and if you step outside the envelope you will bust your azz ala F104.
Now my question. Can anything be damaged short of crashing?
Guess I kinda jaded with the warbirds with the realism simulating overheating,stress from over speed ect.
 
IMO a lot of payware releases are a bit overdone with catastrophic failures. This one is fairly realistic with respect to over-g, hard landings, overspeed, and overheat. There is room for error beyond a number of the limitations which would require a postflight inspection for potential damage, as opposed to guaranteed failure.
 
"Honestly, practically none whatsoever. In a jet like the T-38, the designers gave it "differential ailerons", so that the up aileron sticks up much further, giving extra drag, and thus cancelling out the induced drag of the down aileron. That's why you don't need to use rudders to get a coordinated turn in the T-38."

For discussion purposes...The F-104 can be flown with "your feet on the floor" too!
Cheers
 
Just purchased the T-38 and am highly impressed! To the Milviz Dev Team and Beta Testers, GREAT JOB FOLKS! :salute::applause:

BTW, my system is below the so called minimum specs. I am running a single core P4 at 3.2ghz, 2gb of memory, an older Ati HD2600 Pro card at 512mb. She runs at 20 to 25fps consistently peaking at 30fps! Some of you guys with lower end systems similar to my specs may be okay running this one.

Got her started fine, ran a few aerobatic maneuvers and pattern work and no accidents! LMAO! The FDE is a work of art IMHO.

Again, great job!
 
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