What are the chances re: MAMMSIM N3N....

[Bomber_12th]

Jan, what you're seeing is his tie blowing up over his shoulder. ; )

Regarding the N3N, I consider myself fortunate to have been to some airshows early in life in which a locally-based N3N took part, and that there was a knowledgeable-enough airshow announcer that explained that it was in fact not a Stearman and rather a completely different design. I've also always enjoyed the humorous perspectives of N3N owners - the worst thing you could possibly do to them would be to call their N3N a Stearman/N2S/Kaydet, etc. ; )

A nice selection of N3N photos here: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48185

 

[Javis]

I've an idea that by the time it hits the petrol tanker it has become a Stearman, though.

I think you're right ! Now you talk about it i seem to remember having seen an article or atleast a picture or a clip that proved that fact. Probabely the N3N was way to valuable to meet up with a petrol tanker. Lots of Stearmans around. ( actually there are quite a number of N3N's in museums and not only in the US. The number of airworthy N3N's is of course vastly outnumbered by that of the Stearman )

Here's a great clip of the start-up of an N3N's P&W Wasp Junior :

 

[Javis]

And here a manpowered start of the N3N's original Wright R-760-2:

Both these engines are featured in the N3N model. Both music to my ears! ( check it out, Ted! Obviously we'll be knocking at your soundstudio door once the N3N is in alpha stage... )

cheers,
jan

 

[Javis]

Jan, what you're seeing is his tie blowing up over his shoulder. ; )

Oh!! Really !??... LOL

I did notice that small whirly bit... did find the 'whole composition' very strange, yeah.... a life vest on a civil suit.... i do see now that the dark area at the bottom of the 'life vest' must be the shadow of his arm... and that's a heck of a broad tie then... I guess a clear case of prove that i'm a genuine Mae West nut, i see them even when the're not there ! Sjeeezzz....

Regarding the N3N, I consider myself fortunate to have been to some airshows early in life in which a locally-based N3N took part, and that there was a knowledgeable-enough airshow announcer that explained that it was in fact not a Stearman and rather a completely different design. I've also always enjoyed the humorous perspectives of N3N owners - the worst thing you could possibly do to them would be to call their N3N a Stearman/N2S/Kaydet, etc. ; )

A nice selection of N3N photos here: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48185

Wow!! That's quite a fantastic collection indeed ! Great find, John, thanks !!

Cheers,
Jan ( who really is a kiwi-fruit )

 

[gray eagle]

Crop Duster

My research has conclusively determined that that airplane use in the North By Northwest is in fact a N3N-3

The Buno is N45091 (as the plane crashed into the truck you briefly see N45091)

Research on that particular aircraft revels the following data:

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N45091.html

Scroll down on above link to see users comments that this was the plane (N3N-3) used in the movie North by Northwest.

But you knew all this right Bomber_12th

I think the machine gun strafing was a Hollywood effect.


Edit:

I found this additional info (Scroll to bottom)


https://notastearman.wordpress.com/aircraft-pages/4420-2/






on above link,
comment at bottom reads:

(BTW, the flaming wreckage shown after the crash was NOT an N3N)

 

[gray eagle]

More info on the North by Northwest N3N plane:
In the scene of fire when having hit the truck, the plane used is part of Fairchild PT-19

See link below (same info as above)

http://impdb.org/index.php?title=Destination_Hitchcock:_The_Making_of_North_by_Northwest

 

[TuFun]

Both these engines are featured in the N3N model. Both music to my ears! ( check it out, Ted! Obviously we'll be knocking at your soundstudio door once the N3N is in alpha stage... )

cheers,
jan

 

[Javis]

Terrific video, Ted, never seen this before ! Thanks!

Here's a still from it :

Nah, not a still from it..... Just coincidently i seem to have chosen the same livery for a test repaint of the model


Jan

 

[TuFun]

Well, after hearing this awesome news (be waiting a long time for this ) ... started scouring the net and pulled four videos for sound samples!

Background history... (2010) rendering. Remember these Jan!

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

 

[heywooood]

Yes....its alive!!!

 

[heywooood]

Terrific video, Ted, never seen this before ! Thanks!

Here's a still from it :

Nah, not a still from it..... Just coincidently i seem to have chosen the same livery for a test repaint of the model


Jan

the one in the vid (r/l) has the two broad red stripes on the upper wing and the horizontal stab and elevator should be blue like the vert. fin and rudder - also the R/L has the tail strut bracing instead of the wires...but aside from that lol its dead on balls accurate
also - the yellow should be more orange-ish like a piper cub...than the canary shade on the 3d model - but I digress upon a WIP fairly unfairly as it were
beg pardon - I get excited - I'll get me coat

 

[gray eagle]

N2S

I asked my Dad (91) what plane did he take his Navy primary training in and told me it was the N2S. He told me the N2S was by Stearman and the N3N by Naval Aircraft Factory.

Here is a nice pic of the N2S which looks similar to the N3N.

More info here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N3N_N2S_at_NAS_Corpus_Christi_1942.jpg

 

[Bomber_12th]

Other than both being biplanes, the N2S (Stearman - built by Boeing) and the N3N (Naval Aircraft Factory) were completely different designs, and when seen side-by-side look very little alike. It may also surprise many that the N3N was in service with the military longer than the N2S/Stearman, the N3N entering service in 1940 and not being completely retired from the military until 1959 - known as being the last U.S. military biplane. Quite a few of the restored N3N's out there also have both the interchangeable landing gear and the floats options, even if the floats are usually only ever displayed, rather than used. However, here is a nice story from a couple decades back, of restoring and flying an N3N fitted with floats out of Pender Harbour in Canada: http://www.canadianflight.org/content/bill-thompson-and-his-n3n

Here are a couple more recent photos of the same aircraft, still based at/flown from Pender Harbour:

Here is one of a number of N3N's restored and displayed with both the floats and gear:

The elegant lines of the N3N:

 

[Javis]

Well, after hearing this awesome news (be waiting a long time for this ) ... started scouring the net and pulled four videos for sound samples!

Background history... (2010) rendering. Remember these Jan!

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

How could i forget !

Just reinstalled Gmax. The Peril nicely survived underneath the dust cover, great to see her back again! She'll be send off to the new contractor asap.

'Sounds' good, Ted ! I suppose main problem is inside sounds. There are a few Utube vids from inside the N3N cockpit. Unusable because the mike is surprisingly held *outside* the cockpit.... Awfull rackett There's a lot more open biplanes that either use the Wright R-760 or P&W R-985 of course. If we're going to insert a flywheel starter procedure here's a good one : http://youtu.be/4vNlQ_IZh6o How's that for a workout aparatus

 

[Javis]

the one in the vid (r/l) has the two broad red stripes on the upper wing and the horizontal stab and elevator should be blue like the vert. fin and rudder - also the R/L has the tail strut bracing instead of the wires...but aside from that lol its dead on balls accurate
also - the yellow should be more orange-ish like a piper cub...than the canary shade on the 3d model - but I digress upon a WIP fairly unfairly as it were
beg pardon - I get excited - I'll get me coat

Heheh, was just a quick test, got fed up looking at all that yellow for a year or so

These days an FS aircraft dev doesn't get to do much repainting himself because there's already a staggering amount of work involved in creating the external and internal models. I have always thought that repainting is the most relaxing and rewarding part of it all. Did a lot of that for earlier FS versions and enjoyed that very much. You bet i envy Jan-Kees and his colleagues ! I make sure i'll get to do a few first before they'll get their spraycans on it !

 

[TuFun]

How could i forget !

Just reinstalled Gmax. The Peril nicely survived underneath the dust cover, great to see her back again! She'll be send off to the new contractor asap.

'Sounds' good, Ted ! I suppose main problem is inside sounds. There are a few Utube vids from inside the N3N cockpit. Unusable because the mike is surprisingly held *outside* the cockpit.... Awfull rackett There's a lot more open biplanes that either use the Wright R-760 or P&W R-985 of course. If we're going to insert a flywheel starter procedure here's a good one : http://youtu.be/4vNlQ_IZh6o How's that for a workout aparatus

Hey Jan, I have a much better video of the flywheel starter done in 1941 by Navy personnel. If you want to see some action of the N3N checkout this movie "Dive Bomber 1941".

 

[Javis]

Other than both being biplanes, the N2S (Stearman - built by Boeing) and the N3N (Naval Aircraft Factory) were completely different designs, and when seen side-by-side look very little alike. It may also surprise many that the N3N was in service with the military longer than the N2S/Stearman, the N3N entering service in 1940 and not being completely retired from the military until 1959 - known as being the last U.S. military biplane. Quite a few of the restored N3N's out there also have both the interchangeable landing gear and the floats options, even if the floats are usually only ever displayed, rather than used. However, here is a nice story from a couple decades back, of restoring and flying an N3N fitted with floats out of Pender Harbour in Canada: http://www.canadianflight.org/content/bill-thompson-and-his-n3n

Here are a couple more recent photos of the same aircraft, still based at/flown from Pender Harbour:

Great photos and great story, thanks, John!

( i didn't know what 'scow' ment so i googled it. Surprisingly it stems from my *own* language (dutch) : ' schouw ' which is a type of flat bottom sailing boat. Mind you, it can also be a mantelpiece.. )

 

[Javis]

Hey Jan, I have a much better video of the flywheel starter done in 1941 by Navy personnel. If you want to see some action of the N3N checkout this movie "Dive Bomber 1941".

Way ahead of you here, Sir. On Utube not available to watch for us dutchies ( damn european regulations ) but hey, i bought the movie when i was working on the N3N. Great action scenes of the N3N indeed !

 

[TuFun]

Way ahead of you here, Sir. On Utube not available to watch for us dutchies ( damn european regulations ) but hey, i bought the movie when i was working on the N3N. Great action scenes of the N3N indeed !

Did you notice that plane that was bunny hopping across the field? Different type of aircraft than the one they parked.

 

[heywooood]

Heheh, was just a quick test, got fed up looking at all that yellow for a year or so

These days an FS aircraft dev doesn't get to do much repainting himself because there's already a staggering amount of work involved in creating the external and internal models. I have always thought that repainting is the most relaxing and rewarding part of it all. Did a lot of that for earlier FS versions and enjoyed that very much. You bet i envy Jan-Kees and his colleagues ! I make sure i'll get to do a few first before they'll get their spraycans on it !

I know what you mean - or at least have a sense of it given the number of extremely talented developers and painters we have in this community. Both practices seem to require a ton of knowledge and ability, and time and resources to the point of being mutually exclusive (almost)

Glad to hear the N3N files were still intact after the time that had elapsed...Great!
..excuse me while I run around the block a few times