I should have known better

LouP

LouP

Flight Sim Junkie
So, I stuck my head into 2024 to see what was up and tried a flight around PNG. Got 8, yes 8 FPS in VR where I get around 30 to 40 in 2020. Seriously messed up. Sad thing is I think it's going to get worse before it gets batter as they scramble to get it working correctly (fix something, break something else). Makes me wonder if they are scimping back on the quality of the help. BTW, I am running a Ryzen 7800 x3D with a rtx 4080 super and 64 gigs of ram, in case you are wondering.

LouP :-(
 
Thanks, Lou. Following. PNG is the main area I fly in MSFS 2020 lately. I am tempted to use 2024 but reports like this put me on the waiting list.
 
Am sticking with FS2020 for a while, until I build a new PC that once I figure what 2024 needs to run smooth VR. I am completely happy with 2020 at the moment.
 
After today's debacle and a supposed update, I asked Microsoft for a full refund. I explained the over 85% of the time shown as "using" the game has been me trying to get it to work. I heard others have failed as they were told that they had "used" the game too much for a refund so I'm sure I'm in for a hard time here. I've been flight simming for what seems ages now and I never thought this situation would arise but I believe I have given this a very fair shot. I have no faith that anything will improve (especially in VR) after today's update addressed no VR issues. I think Asobo is under a lot of duress for various reasons and can't even get out of their own way at this point. We'll see if I can get the refund but am going to think of other options to take if they refuse.

LouP :-(
 
roger-wilco-66 said:
Thanks, Lou. Following. PNG is the main area I fly in MSFS 2020 lately. I am tempted to use 2024 but reports like this put me on the waiting list.
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PNG looks better to me in 2020 for some reason. Maybe due to the lack of photogrammetry.
 
I ditched 2024 for different reasons. Mainly being the shabby controller assignments in the settings, the issues with the marketplace and the library and other stuff. The issues after updates come to mind. You should also be able to install the stuff that is important to you on your machine, but they chose streaming.

They could have just implemented the graphic improvements in 2020, but noooo.

Happy with 2020!

Priller
 
I heard about a new investor in Asobo that mucked things up there and is mostly responsible for this mess. Not corroborated yet though so take it with a grain of salt right now.

LouP
 
Something's definitely funky! I get dramatically smoother VR frame rates on 2024 than 2020.

People bitch about the Xbox, but the funkiness of different PC configurations totally making performance horribad is the worst part about PC gaming.
 
Intel chip?? lol Windows was messing with Ryzen chips so maybe FS followed along ;-) Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
LouP said:
So, I stuck my head into 2024 to see what was up and tried a flight around PNG. Got 8, yes 8 FPS in VR where I get around 30 to 40 in 2020. Seriously messed up. Sad thing is I think it's going to get worse before it gets batter as they scramble to get it working correctly (fix something, break something else). Makes me wonder if they are scimping back on the quality of the help. BTW, I am running a Ryzen 7800 x3D with a rtx 4080 super and 64 gigs of ram, in case you are wondering.

LouP :-(
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So, right now I can't use MSFS2024 because of its bad performance, but I think a few things should be clarified here:

1- Yes MSFS2024 was rushed. But I'm pretty sure it was all the fault of MS and not Asobo, because MS absolutely wanted the sim to be released in 2024. The guys at Asobo probably had to cancel all of their summer holidays to go through the final developments and crash-tests to get a usable sim before Christmas...

2- If you got only 8 FPS with a 4080, don't blame the sim and instead ask yourself if you are really able to understand the MSFS2024 settings and to compare them with the settings in MSFS2020. Because NO, LOD 200 in MSF2024 is not the same as LOD200 in MSFS2020, and that's just one of the many examples. I'm getting more than 7 FPS with my GTX1070, but no I'm not trying to run it at "high" or anything near that. I just took approximatively 5 minutes of my life to find a balance, which was way shorter than writing yet-another-rant on a forum.

3- MSFS2024 is an absolute mess of bugs and performance problems and there is not a single person here that could be surprised about this. We have to wait for the various sim updates to come during the next few months. It was obvious since a few seconds after MSFS2024 was originally released.

Just like you I also had to come back to MSFS2020 to enjoy my VR flying. I'm happy with MSFS2020 but I have seen MSFS2024 and I know from the start that this is where I want to go. The current TERRIBLE state of MSFS2024 has a VERY GOOD side effect: it gives me a bit more time to gather my money an decide how to replace my 6 years-old computer.
 
I think there's something wrong your end LouP, I'm getting 25fps in VR on my 2080Ti, I cant have the settings as high as I do in 2020 but it still looks pretty good to me..
Are you trying to run it with TAA? try DLSS Quality, that was the biggest thing that got my fps up.
 
TAA as I always do. I try DLSS every now and then and it looks lousy to me. Same settings as on 2020 and 2020 runs beautifully. I know there are going to be a bunch of peeps jumping down my throat now but I'm in a free country and I choose to run TAA because it looks better to me.

LouP
 
So do I Lou, I fly glass cockpits mostly and DLSS just blurs the letters and numbers on the screens, even when zoomed in to panel view.
 
StormILM said:
Am sticking with FS2020 for a while, until I build a new PC that once I figure what 2024 needs to run smooth VR. I am completely happy with 2020 at the moment.
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I have just just come to that same conclusion-- it makes sense to stay in 2020 for the time being-- after playing around in 2020 yesterday for the first time in ages and realizing how smooth and nice it is on my new rig. I like the lighting and water effects better in 2024...but that's about it. I'm better off to give 2024 more time to mature before trying it again.
 
LouP said:
TAA as I always do. I try DLSS every now and then and it looks lousy to me. Same settings as on 2020 and 2020 runs beautifully. I know there are going to be a bunch of peeps jumping down my throat now but I'm in a free country and I choose to run TAA because it looks better to me.

LouP
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And so do I Lou. With my AMD GFX card, performance is better than with my previous Nvidia card running DLSS. images are crisper.

Jan
 
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I get it, I run TAA in 2020 in VR but my poor old 2080Ti just doesn't cut in 2024 without DLSS.
I mostly fly steam gauge planes so don't have any problem reading them in DLSS and honestly everything else doesn't look that much worse to me.
Wish I could upgrade but moneys tight, just buying 2024 was stretching the budget.
 
I have no problem with either sim, I read all the problems people are having and I wonder WTF. I get a steady 40-45 fps in 2020 and an unbelievable 60 (my set limit) in 2024. Everything is Ultra save Trees and vehicle traffic. Like Priller I am running straight AMD, CPU and GPU. I'm not about to give up on 2020, have too much invested in it. But all is carrying over to 2024 fine, except in External view, the planes carryied over from 2020 do not have a pilot, co-pilot. or passengers. 2024 keeps getting better and the SDK to 2024 is much more user friendly than in 2020. The Graphics are much better in 2024, highways and roads are more pronounced, so are the railroad tracks, the sim is begging for trains. I take a flight in each sim most days, but due to bad carpal tunnel in my right hand, I have to limit my flights to an hour at most. I have house work to do also. Like my scale models, one can lose track of time in playing the sim too often and too long. At age 78, I am not about to make a career of flying. But I have always had a fascination from airplanes ever since I was pre-school and modeling and flight sims are simply extensions for the passion I still retain for aviation.

Cazzie
 
I can't see why you would be getting such poor performance on your PC. I'm running an ageing AMD Ryzen 5 3600, RTX 2070 Super, with a mere 16Gb RAM, and I get mid-30s FPS. I also use an HP Reverb G2 and get smooth performance.

I do use the Nvidia App and let that take care of the setting and it does seem to do a good job, it may be worth your while giving that a try.
 
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