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🗣📢 What Happened in Louisville? Pilot Reacts to Crash Footage
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Jorge
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First off: I'm not sure if this is even close to what may have happened with UPS. We have to let the investigators do their jobs -- something which may take quite some time.
Having said that -- and having been a former 121 pilot myself for Expressjet for the better part of 15 years -- the video that has come out of this crash reminds me A LOT of a crash we studied one time we were in ground school for re-current training. The "take-away" from the lesson was to keep V2+15 on your KIAS when you had an engine failure so you didn't end up like they did.
I don't think any airline does ground training to include investigations anymore since ground training has taken a different "style" now (mostly virtual or online to save costs in hotels, per-diem, etc).
Anyway, here is the link to the accident that came to mind since it's better you folks read it yourselves -- especially since there are eery similarities in the images of the aircraft's state:
en.wikipedia.org
Having been the first thing that came to mind when I saw the UPS crash on the news, it would appear this was FAR WORSE in Louisville when it comes to the engine separation since it seems to have burst the fuel tanks in the left wing as it flew off. This did not happen in 1979 at O'Hare.
Yes, the MD-11 is far more advanced than the DC-10 in many ways, but it's basically the same airframe and may have many similar structural components.
As for the engine in the video ... it actually looks more like a JT-8D than an engine off the MD-11, but with all that heat it wouldn't surprise me if it ended up that way.
Again, no one knows if this is even the case here and we MUST let the investigators find out what happened -- even if the circumstantial evidence may point in this direction.
Still waiting to hear from a buddy that flew with me at Expressjet who is now flying for UPS since he may have known the crew and may need someone to talk to right about now.
Jorge
Miami, FL
Having said that -- and having been a former 121 pilot myself for Expressjet for the better part of 15 years -- the video that has come out of this crash reminds me A LOT of a crash we studied one time we were in ground school for re-current training. The "take-away" from the lesson was to keep V2+15 on your KIAS when you had an engine failure so you didn't end up like they did.
I don't think any airline does ground training to include investigations anymore since ground training has taken a different "style" now (mostly virtual or online to save costs in hotels, per-diem, etc).
Anyway, here is the link to the accident that came to mind since it's better you folks read it yourselves -- especially since there are eery similarities in the images of the aircraft's state:
American Airlines Flight 191 - Wikipedia
Having been the first thing that came to mind when I saw the UPS crash on the news, it would appear this was FAR WORSE in Louisville when it comes to the engine separation since it seems to have burst the fuel tanks in the left wing as it flew off. This did not happen in 1979 at O'Hare.
Yes, the MD-11 is far more advanced than the DC-10 in many ways, but it's basically the same airframe and may have many similar structural components.
As for the engine in the video ... it actually looks more like a JT-8D than an engine off the MD-11, but with all that heat it wouldn't surprise me if it ended up that way.
Again, no one knows if this is even the case here and we MUST let the investigators find out what happened -- even if the circumstantial evidence may point in this direction.
Still waiting to hear from a buddy that flew with me at Expressjet who is now flying for UPS since he may have known the crew and may need someone to talk to right about now.
Jorge
Miami, FL
wbuchart
SOH-CM-2025
I can tell you this, I live five miles east from the crash site. I heard a boom after a few minutes there was a streak of what looked like a very low severe storm moving fast then the sky looked like someone opened a portal to hell when the smoke came over my house (my part of town to be exact) and it was moving fast toward me. it creeped the bejezuz out of me (probably when it crashed into a fuel recycling plant. according to all the video the local news is showing the jet's #1 engine burst into flames during takeoff. At 435 feet the engine came off, the plane exploded then came down and bulldozed into a few businesses. it really is tragic. there are still people unaccounted for.
Victory103
SOH-CM-2025
Annual recurrent training includes going over the previous year of safety issues that happened mostly related to my airline, but others may be covered in open discussion. Hot topics are covered in quarterly virtual training and at my company at least we can review near-misses via an accident investigation style graphic simulation. I knew about AA191, but had to go back and review.First off: I'm not sure if this is even close to what may have happened with UPS. We have to let the investigators do their jobs -- something which may take quite some time.
Having said that -- and having been a former 121 pilot myself for Expressjet for the better part of 15 years -- the video that has come out of this crash reminds me A LOT of a crash we studied one time we were in ground school for re-current training. The "take-away" from the lesson was to keep V2+15 on your KIAS when you had an engine failure so you didn't end up like they did.
I don't think any airline does ground training to include investigations anymore since ground training has taken a different "style" now (mostly virtual or online to save costs in hotels, per-diem, etc).
Anyway, here is the link to the accident that came to mind since it's better you folks read it yourselves -- especially since there are eery similarities in the images of the aircraft's state:
American Airlines Flight 191 - Wikipedia
Having been the first thing that came to mind when I saw the UPS crash on the news, it would appear this was FAR WORSE in Louisville when it comes to the engine separation since it seems to have burst the fuel tanks in the left wing as it flew off. This did not happen in 1979 at O'Hare.
Yes, the MD-11 is far more advanced than the DC-10 in many ways, but it's basically the same airframe and may have many similar structural components.
As for the engine in the video ... it actually looks more like a JT-8D than an engine off the MD-11, but with all that heat it wouldn't surprise me if it ended up that way.
Again, no one knows if this is even the case here and we MUST let the investigators find out what happened -- even if the circumstantial evidence may point in this direction.
Still waiting to hear from a buddy that flew with me at Expressjet who is now flying for UPS since he may have known the crew and may need someone to talk to right about now.
Jorge
Miami, FL
UPS and FedEx have grounded their MD-11 fleets pending further investigation.