747-400 landing at SFO

Very interesting! Every airline does things somewhat differently. Most of the US crews (myself included) have a much quieter cockpit. Perhaps an expaination for the film?

Cheers: T.
 
In these days of JAR-ops and fdr/cvr regular downloads (yes,really) in the name of flight spying, sorry safety, the crew have to make sure everything is recorded on cvr
to avoid getting a razzing from flight ops for not following procedures.

ttfn

Pete
 
I am a real 747-400 Capt and have flown into SFO many many times, including in weather down to their CATIII mins of 600 RvR. The philosophy of most American Air Carriers and of the aircraft mfgr (Boeing, where I trained) is to not have too much really usless noise going on in the cockpit. So if somebody says something on approach, it's probably important......

In the USA many airlines do monitor digital flight recorder data fro exceedences through a program called FOQA (Flight Operation Quality Assurance). I worked on this program at my airline.... However it is not generally permissable in the USA to access the CVR (voice recorder) data unless there is an accident or incident. As such the CVR usually tapes over itself every 45 mins.

Cheers: T.
 
Loved that video...
Co-incidentally I tried some circuits on 28L at KSFO in the newly-upgraded Capsim 757 yesterday - I have a little way to go yet!

I'm sure the cockpit chatter was largely for the movie - Virgin have a PR arm second to none.

And, looking at the external shots I am more convinced than ever that POSKY needs to go do some more homework on their 747 groundhandling.

Many thanks for the link Daveroo
 
The PMDG 747-400 is currently about the best rendition of the plane for the sim. However there are some limitations in which FSX does things that do somewhat impare the sim groundhandling compared to the real deal. SFO has alot of narrow and tight taxiways, care is often needed with respect to aircraft on other taxiways and obstacles.

cheers: t.
 
Hi Fliger747,
yes I already knew 'bout your rw job,
I'm a 'techie' (former flight eng) myself...
anyhow, we used to have the same philosophy over this side of pond, all quiet on final
until EASA/JAA popped up with this Jar-Ops flight monitoring requirement, now every squawk/buzzer or comment has to be responded to.

ttfn

Pete
 
ATC (it's busy) can be challenging at SFO. As it is an older airport and had to fill in part of the bay, not too likely they will get proper spacing of the runways for true dual runway operation. You notice in the film that ATC keeps slowing them down to maintain position behind the 757... This can be an issue if one plane such as a 747 is much heavier than another or there is a natural approach/landing speed differential. Flying the freighters, they almost always land at max weight unlike the pax birds, and have much higher approach speeds. Usuall in a case like that a warning to approach of your min speed on final (ie: 160 knots) help their planning. They were able to slow to less than 140 knots, a heavily loaded aircraft would not be able to do that. (pax don't weigh n'utt'n).

Yes things must be on the CVR: The most important is often "Checklist Complete". Our policy is to only pull the CVR circuit breaker if there is an accident or incident so as to preserve the CVR recording. This stops the tape from recording over itself.

You probably can't see it in the film, but on the Nav Display, in the upper left corner is the wind vector arrow, which shows the instantaneous wind direction and velocity at out location while we are flying. Very valuable!

Cheers: T.
 
ATC (it's busy) can be challenging at SFO. As it is an older airport and had to fill in part of the bay, not too likely they will get proper spacing of the runways for true dual runway operation. You notice in the film that ATC keeps slowing them down to maintain position behind the 757... This can be an issue if one plane such as a 747 is much heavier than another or there is a natural approach/landing speed differential. Flying the freighters, they almost always land at max weight unlike the pax birds, and have much higher approach speeds. Usuall in a case like that a warning to approach of your min speed on final (ie: 160 knots) help their planning. They were able to slow to less than 140 knots, a heavily loaded aircraft would not be able to do that. (pax don't weigh n'utt'n).

Yes things must be on the CVR: The most important is often "Checklist Complete". Our policy is to only pull the CVR circuit breaker if there is an accident or incident so as to preserve the CVR recording. This stops the tape from recording over itself.

You probably can't see it in the film, but on the Nav Display, in the upper left corner is the wind vector arrow, which shows the instantaneous wind direction and velocity at out location while we are flying. Very valuable!

Cheers: T.
i dont understand how the wind can be detected when an airplane is fling at 400? mph..and it reads a 5 mph wind outside? how in the hell is that possible?
 
London to San Fransisco? That must be a butt-buster. I flew Chicago to Seoul years ago. Fourteen hours in coach on Korean Airlines is no fun. Flew United on the way back with a stop in Tokyo. A much better flight due to more movies and sitcoms in flight. On the Korean Airlines flight I think they played one movie in english and one in Korean. The rest of the trip was watching the GPS map. :banghead:
 
The airplane compares it's direction and true airspeed to it's ground track and speed, viola! the wind speed and direction.

T.
 
My longest flight to date, nonstop into the winter headwinds.... Huntsville Alabama to Hong Kong. 18 hours. As we steamed by Chicago, ATC asked us what our destination was, they couldn't find it in their computer....

T.
 
i dont understand how the wind can be detected when an airplane is fling at 400? mph..and it reads a 5 mph wind outside? how in the hell is that possible?
Prior to GPS, it would have been done with inertial navigation. The "black box" recognises that the plane is flying one direction and speed, and the nose is pointed a slightly different direction, then calculates the wind from the known values.
 
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