a2a P-47 without Accusim

[RKinkor]

How is the A2A P-47 without Accusim? I would really like to have a quality P-47 but I am not really interested in the accu-sim portion of it. How does it compare in quality to say the WBS P-51's.

 

[Daube]

How is the A2A P-47 without Accusim? I would really like to have a quality P-47 but I am not really interested in the accu-sim portion of it. How does it compare in quality to say the WBS P-51's.

"I'd like to have a Quality P-47" and "I'm not interested in the Accu-sim portion of it" sound quite paradoxal to me.
So basically, you just want a good looking model and you're not interested in how it works ?

 

[clmooring]

Maybe there is perception that accusim = walk arounds and cold and dark starts required? I can see how some people could think that and not be interested in that portion.

 

[delta_lima]

"I'd like to have a Quality P-47" and "I'm not interested in the Accu-sim portion of it" sound quite paradoxal to me.
So basically, you just want a good looking model and you're not interested in how it works ?

Why is it paradoxical?

It's offered in both non-accusim and accusim versions - https://a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=28&zenid=223d6c4dcceaaceb26149c004d97f9a4

Some of us like the time and energy investment required of Accusim, some don't. Some are casual, light simmers who want an easy fun experience with a great-looking model. Others of us (in my case) have little kids, to whom we're introducing aviation through FS. To that end, it makes sense why both options are offered.

To answer the OP, I got it right away when it first came out years ago, before the accusim module/expansion pack came out. I thought it was fantastic - immersive, and even without accusim, required a decent amount of attention engine-wise to fly effectively. I've since lost interest in WWII warbirds, and haven't bothered getting the Accusim expansion pack for it, so I can't comment on how much more I would have enjoyed it - probably a lot more, because I appreciate the complex flight sim products.

The bottom line is, if you're a fan of the Jug but unsure of whether you will enjoy the attention required of Accusim - then $30 is a good way to go with the base pack. Adding the expansion pack is another $25 - so while the whole package is $50 - it's not like you'll have massively overspent by buying piecemeal.

dl

 

[pilottj]

Accusim doesn't mandate checklists or walkarounds, like real life, you don't have to do those things, tho it's always a very good idea. It means you have to pay closer attention to your actions as a pilot. It means ALL of the gauges in the cockpit present meaningful information which help you the pilot make good decisions. It means the operation and function of the systems are as they are in the real plane. It means there are consequences to wrong action or inaction (if gone uncorrected) depending on the situation, however those consequences aren't always immediate, they often will show up later when you least expect them to....like a real airplane.

I think there is a misconception that these planes will blow up if you breath wrong, or that you will be too busy flying the plane that you won't be able to enjoy the scenery...both of which are false. These are warbirds are very rugged machines designed for the rigors of aerobatics and combat. True there is a greater situational awareness requried to monitor everything, but these planes will put up with a certain level of abuse, and will usually give you time to correct mistakes. Remember, these planes were flown by proverbial 'kids' during the war. Just keep the plane within performance/power limits and you will be fine.

Cheers
TJ

 

[Alan_A]

Keep in mind also that the P-47 is one of the older Accu-sim products and as such doesn't have all the complexity (like modeling individual cylinders) that later products do. And none of the warbirds has a walk-around option - so far, that's only for the general aviation products. So the Accu-sim warbirds aren't any more time-consuming than the non-Accu-sim versions. As pilottj points out, there's more stuff that can break in Accu-sim - in the P-47, asymmetrical flap failure is a possibility - but only if you really work to break it. The P-47 is probably the sturdiest of any of their warbirds - you can throw stuff at it all day and it'll keep on keeping on.

 

[Rudyjo]

The P-47 is the oldest of the A2A warbirds, the accusim modeling is nothing like the newer models.
I have all of them except for the P-40, the P-47 is my favorite, I recommend it.

 

[roger-wilco-66]

I also have the P-47 accusimmed. Wouldn't want to miss it, and I don't think it's overly hard to manage. If I had doubts like the OP I'd get it without the accusim option and add the package later if the wish to go all the way arises.

The accusim option also can be turned off, by the way, if it get's in the way of things.

Cheers,
Mark

 

[jankees]

I agree, I love the Jug, and the accusim just gives it so much extra life. I have lots of good looking aircraft that never break down, but flying the jug properly is just fun, you have to pay attention to what you do, but at the same time it's easy to fly. I remeber the first time the windows fogged up, I was wondering "what's this??". Never seen that before. Then there's the oxygen at altitude, overheating with cowl flaps closed, squealing brakes, it's just so much better...

Oh, and I have never turned the accusim off..

 

[gastonj]

Hi,
Accusim for the p47 is necessary if you have to learn how to fly the real one . In the other cases you do what you want, all is fun!
JMC

 

[DaveB]

You can blow the non-Accu-sim P47 with consummate ease if you don't fly it 'as per'. It's complicated enough to ensure you don't just jump in and fly without paying attention. Save your money and buy the standard version. You can always add the Acc module later (though it's more expensive to buy it this way) but if you're like me.. you won't need it. The standard model is fun enough

ATB
DaveB

 

[trucker17]

I have the Accusimed P-47 as well.......I used it in the beginning to get use to the handling etc. then added Accusim and what a difference it made........Like going from a Kite to an airplane.....

 

[Ron Attwood]

I remember the first time the windows fogged up, I was wondering "what's this??". Never seen that before. Then there's the oxygen at altitude, overheating with cowl flaps closed, squealing brakes, it's just so much better...

Oh, and I have never turned the accusim off..

I remember the first time the windows fogged up. I thought 'When the hell am I going to come out of this cloud?!' Eventually I twigged it.

Without accu-sim you leave 3/4 of the plane on the ground.

 

[Daube]

Why is it paradoxical?

Sorry it's the simmer and math part of me.
When it comes to simulation addons, the formula is quite simple:
- Quality = Realism
- Accusim = Realism++
=> Quality = Accusim

 

[RKinkor]

Ok those are good thoughts for and against Accu-Sim. The main reason I was asking this question is that the P-47 is the last ww2 fighter plane to add to my collection ( other than maybe Milviz's P-38 non redbull but that is rolling the dice as I find I have too many problems with their aircraft mainly frame rates not their problem other than the Strike Eagle) and I lack the time or interest to deal with the accu-sim portion of it when I generally fly by the book anyway. Thanks for all the advice.

 

[ak416]

Ok those are good thoughts for and against Accu-Sim. The main reason I was asking this question is that the P-47 is the last ww2 fighter plane to add to my collection ( other than maybe Milviz's P-38 non redbull but that is rolling the dice as I find I have too many problems with their aircraft mainly frame rates not their problem other than the Strike Eagle) and I lack the time or interest to deal with the accu-sim portion of it when I generally fly by the book anyway. Thanks for all the advice.

Here is a great 4 part video series featuring the P-47 and Accu-sim. It should give you a better idea of what you might be getting into with Accu-sim.

 

[Dumonceau]

How is the A2A P-47 without Accusim? I would really like to have a quality P-47 but I am not really interested in the accu-sim portion of it. How does it compare in quality to say the WBS P-51's.

IMHO it compares quite nicely.

And like you, I'm not always interested in the accusim part of it. Good thing is that you do not need to install accusim, you can install just the plane. I have accusim installed, but I switch it off whenever I feel like just getting up in the air and flying.

I even have my own version in my hangar with the gauges swapped with those of the WOP2 Thunderbolt. But that was just an experiment.

So the model is very nice, and the possibility of not installing accusim is there.

So I would say: go and buy it. It is well worth the price, and accusim is not needed to enjoy the model.

Dumonceau

 

[Daube]

Yes, even without Accusim, that P47 is quite an excellent model.
Another important thing is that it has a lot of beautiful repaints available (also in HD), there is a topic listing them on the A2A forums if I remember correctly.

 

[jankees]

ah repaints, yes, I think I did about 50 (?I lost track somewhere?), the earliest ones I did you can find on avsim and here in the outhouse, the latest ones are all on OZx

 

[RKinkor]

Here is a great 4 part video series featuring the P-47 and Accu-sim. It should give you a better idea of what you might be getting into with Accu-sim.

ok so after watching the vids I am having second thought about not purchasing the accusim portion of it. This gives rise to one further question, without giving anything exclusive to the company how does it work and what might be potentiental side effects to the rest of the simulator?