Advisory: HondaJet

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SeanTK

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Just a head's up to any developers considering making a HondaJet:
The company is pursuing take-down notices for any 3d models bearing a resemblance to the aircraft, regardless of if you actually call it a HondaJet or not:

http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear...KrjyVCHxpJydX2k4A@mail.gmail.com/#msg32345712

As you'll see in the thread above, if it's even close to a likeness, it'll likely get the company's attention as they've copyrighted multiple aspects of the aircraft.

A point of good news though (also in that thread) is that Eurocopter (now Airbus Helicopters...ugh) actually seems to encourage flightsim representations of their aircraft, as they were "retweeting" and posting images of a user's in-progress developments of one of their helicopters apparently.
 
Rudyjo said:
Me too. I was just about to put an order in for one. I had already withdrawn my one million dollar deposit. Oh well, I'll have to put the money back in in bank and get 1/4 percent interest on it.
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They also manufacture cars, motorcycles, ATVs, watercraft, generators and lawn equipment.
 
After that junky Civic I bought I didn't want one anywho. Can't just roll a jet onto the side of the road when it conks out on ya even in FSX.
 
WELL I also feel that this could hurt them in the long run..with flight simulators becoming a viable way to teach flying,they may just lose a few customers due to the fact they wont have a plane to fly of the one they wish to own.
i have a family friend who is learning to fly helicopters,he had no fixed wing time at all,never even seen a flight simulator like FSX,he was given a walk around of a robinson R22,then taken into the "classroom"..two days later,they had him on a FSX machine flying the stock R22,regular type helicopter controls , i looked the brand up and the cyclic alone is over a grand,anyway..he spent a week on the flight sim and has now gone into flying the real one..and is only a few hours from his ticket.
 
Hopefully Boeing doesn't send out an advisory or I'll have to trash my tubeliners. Really, how does Carenado or PMDG do It? IMHO if its payware aircraft under development then drop the associated company an email stating your interest in their aircraft. Who knows maybe they would help with some form of support. However, if its freeware then its artistic expression in digital 3D.
 
If push came to shove about the only recourse Honda would have would be with their logo/trademark....
....unless they could establish that the modeller had access to/made use of 'blue prints' [for want of a better term] produced BY Honda and used in the development/design/construction of the craft.

Simple replication of an existing form would generally be protected under the auspices of 'fair use'.

Once upon a time Windows Customizing sites were contacted by Apple with a cease and desist re the adaption and release of the OSX GUI for Windows [via Windowblinds]. Apple was/has been pretty much the ONLY entity to spit a dummy re GUI Customizing in the decade or 2 that it's been happening.

Even then it was deemed indefensible if Apple did not universally request the removal from all sites which hosted the work/s.

The issue re Copyright and 'fair use' and/or 'fan art' has always been wobbly at best.

However...

It's quite hypocritical to be uptight re Honda wanting to protect their IP whilst people in the Sim community get [rightly] upset when their models or paints are 'stolen' by others ...;)
 
I think it's ugly ... they love the "OTWEM" Over the wing engine mounts that they engineered, looks weird to me ! Mike:running:
 
I would have to be careful with Bell helicopter as they are owned by the same parent corporation that owns Cessna and we all know Cessna won't allow 3D redentions of their aircraft without a royalty to be paid to them. Not sure if this will apply to freeware Cessna aircraft, but we can never be too careful these days:dizzy:
 
There is a hondajet for fs9 that has been ported to on simviation. Don't know if it's still there or removed but I have it.

Take that Honda.

But no longer use fs9 port overs.

Bob
 
b52bob said:
There is a hondajet for fs9 that has been ported to on simviation. Don't know if it's still there or removed but I have it.

Take that Honda.

But no longer use fs9 port overs.

Bob
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Hama's Hondajet - been around for years - and I believe he's Japanese - so he better watch out, might have the Honda heavies calling aroiund! Never understood companies that do this - believe Gulfstream is another - bad PR and anal reteniveness at its best.
 
rpetty said:
Hopefully Boeing doesn't send out an advisory or I'll have to trash my tubeliners. Really, how does Carenado or PMDG do It?
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PMDG has an agreement with Boeing. They deliver the most accurate MSFS rendition possible while Boeing provides enough information to get them there.


Boeing's out of production models are, to my knowledge, not subject to any restrictions.
 
One word. . ."Stupid".
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it is stupid, but you cant exactly blame them as such. If they didnt enforce the copyright stuff, other, real world, companies would prolly get away with using their stuff with the whole "you didnt enforce it with them, why are we different?". So their just protecting their stuff. Doesnt mean i like it, but hey ho!

Really, how does Carenado or PMDG do It? IMHO if its payware aircraft under development then drop the associated company an email stating your interest in their aircraft. Who knows maybe they would help with some form of support.
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As Bjorn said, PMDG has an agreement with Boeing. Carenado on the other hand .. well they have the advantage of living in a part of the world that doesnt really bother with such stuff :monkies:
 
Rudyjo said:
Me too. I was just about to put an order in for one. I had already withdrawn my one million dollar deposit. Oh well, I'll have to put the money back in in bank and get 1/4 percent interest on it.
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hahaha....Yeap, Sadly, but my Citation Mustang should wait for another replacement. :biggrin-new:

Seriously, as airattackimages said,Honda makes a lot of machines, vehicles....

As Flightsimmer, Honda attacked my hobby....In response, I wont buy his products.
we need to act with Responsibility. Each action have a reaction.

Of course, the point here is....Its the Hondajet project of Flightgear an open source or freeware project? or is a commercial project?

  • If it's a commercial project...Dude, Will you be making money with my effort? You must pay me royalties!
  • If it's a Freeware project....Without any monetary profit for the developer...What is the problem? This project is a free advertising! Its good for the company.
 
Never understood why a company would do something like prohibiting representations of their products. Especially with P3D (as a training software!!) it could be even valuable for an aircraft company, to have more possibilities for training on their aircraft! But that's just the way I see it.

Remember: a visual model is NEVER the same like a real one. Always differences, approximations, and so on.

I'd say addons of aircraft of a particular company is just PR for that company.
 
Never understood why a company would do something like prohibiting representations of their products. Especially with P3D (as a training software!!) it could be even valuable for an aircraft company, to have more possibilities for training on their aircraft! But that's just the way I see it.
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Actually with P3D as a training tool it may be more important for aircraft companies to control their intellectual property, i.e. if it's going to be used for training it better be as close to 100% accurate as possible or people could learn dangerous i.e. fatal, habits. The only way you can really get that level of accuracy is with the cooperation of the manufacturer and if you don't ask for it first why should they trust you? Similarly if Honda have no control over the add-on they can't stop an unfavourable representation being put out there which could adversely affect their aircraft's sales.

The fact is any other company wanting to base a product on the Honda Jet or any other real world thing would have to pay a licence fee, e.g. toy companies. Unless you're saying flight sim add ons shouldn't count because they're not tangible, but then that's a version of one of the arguments put forward in defence of software piracy.
 
Free advertising... They should be paying developers to make virtual renditions of their products...
 
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