Aiming gunsight in 6DOF and flak over England

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Fortiesboy

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Hello
I've played CFS3 for a long time , on and off.
It really is a lot better than a lot of folks say. In fact, the 1% planes FMs are magnificent .And I find it the best of WW2 Spitfire sims.
I enjoy dogfighting over Southern England, but two things I can't find answers to.
Using 6DOF with trackir, I find my aim at the enemy is way off, even though the gunsite is in the right place ( I allow for deflection leads, etc )
What I do at the moment is use a button to disable trackir, then the gunsight is accurate. but I would like to use 6DOF to lean forward and get the enemy close up in my sight and then fire!
Is there a fix for this, or am i doing it as best it can be done?

Secondly, my Spitfire or hurricane becomes the object of flak over Southern england, which is a wee bit inaccurate historically, I think-lol
Any fix for this?

Thanks in anticipation
 
Hi Fortiesboy,

with trakir I find that the eye point does become a little out of sink over time during a mission. to fix I hit F12 which re-centres your point of view.

with lining up the gun sight, now that you can move your head sideways up down etc it is important to make sure your actually looking down the nose of the aircraft whilst sighting. if your slightly to one side then your point of referance to the enemy aircraft will be off, which means when you fire your going to shoot wide of the mark.
This was the exact case for a real pilot if his head was off to one side or too high or low he had to adjust his position reletive to the sight. I dont know if you shoot in real life, but it would be like having your rifle and not lining the rear sight up correctly with the fore sight which means even though it looks like your on target your going to miss. in the spitfire (or any other plane) you dont have that fore sight to line up with to know your looking correctly along the sight path, your using a single point of referance to which you are trying to align your sight path with.

actually just thought, if you download the hurricanes from regs hanger or if you have ETO installed use the hurricane in that. it has a small post mounted on the nose with a beed sight on top of it. when you use trakir you will see how when you move your head the beed sight moves across the face of the reflector sight. move your head around until the beed sight is centred then fire your guns using the required deflection and you will be on target. then once you used to that go back to the spit pick a point of referance to line your sight up with and you should be good to go.

I usually get myself into position and have a quick shot if the tracer shows my alignment is out I either hit F12 to re-centre trackir or if its only slightly out I double check my position make sure I'm not looking slightly to one side and then refire the guns and check the tracer placement reletive to the gunsight.

HTH's

regards Rob.
 
AFAIK your comparison with rifle is only true for iron sight (for instance P-40 emergency sight). The true advantage of optic gunsight is that the reticle shows the cross as if it was at infinite in front of the aircraft. Which means that if your eye is not centered in front of the glass, the light cross will also not be centered and maybe out of the glass, so invisible. This is somehow like a long cylinder (extending to infinite). If your eye is misaligned, the rear disk is misaligned. If your eye is too much left or right, you can't see the rear disk through the front one. Only here the front disk is virtual, and the rear disk is shown by the reflected light cross. This is modelled in IL2 for instance, but not in CFS3. The light cross is a fixed texture hence acting like an iron sight.
I wonder if there is some variable related to pilot's head, that would allow the sight to move with your head ? Maybe one could imagine an animated sight, and programming the joystick hat to get eye movement and sight movement "de concert".

[ one good thing would be a true english guy rewriting this horrible post in some workable manner ... sorry for being so clumsy with the langage ... ]
 
Hi Charles,

yes your right, my comparison is based off iron sites, but it is also true for the reflected sights, as you point out in real life the sighting recticle would be invisible if viewed from off line and only comes back into view when the eye point is correctly placed relative to the centre line of the sight.
In your analigy I think of looking through a telescopic sight on a rifle were if your missaligned with the scope you get a distorted sight picture or if missaligned badly enough no sight picture at all, rather just a black image (which is the inside of the scope tube, this would be comparable to the sight recticle being invisible).

the main thing is to try to have your eyepoint as close as possible to the centre line of the sight to reduce deflection errors.

regards Rob.

PS nothing wrong with your english mate.:ernae:
 
(Thanks for your indulgence)
Fortiesboy, I mainly use padlock as I have no track IR and find no problem with bad alignement. One quick fix could be to turn to padlock when close enough to your target. This would be the way you would use track IR at that point, anyway :)
 
Fortiesboy said:
Hello

Secondly, my Spitfire or hurricane becomes the object of flak over Southern england, which is a wee bit inaccurate historically, I think-lol
Any fix for this?

Thanks in anticipation
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Hi fortiesboy, in terms of the flak, when you fly Quick combat the territory around the airbase from which you are centred, is enemy territory. This is a hard-coded aspect of CFS3. Try flying from France or elsewhere in Europe if you get too uncomfrotable about Tiger tanks roaming southern England!!:d
 
Thank you very much, chaps for the replies. I found them very interesting and instructive.

Daiwilletti- Lol, yes I do find the thought of tiger tanks in Southern England uncomfortable .
Probably 'cos i live there. And that is why I like to fly over the not-too-badly-depicted Poole harbour and Bournemouth area.

Capt Winters - Thanks for the heads up on the Hurricane. I'll look it up.
As I said, I can get an accurate line up which involves using a button on my Cougar which disables Trackir Pro temp, and also centres the view, - that way the shooting is all right - but it means that I can't shoot leaning forward using 6DOF.
However, I'll enjoy trying the hurricane method.
Thanks again to all
 
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