Akemi'a A6M2 Zero

[gaucho_59]

Perspective errors...

Well, I don' know about the "eye of the beholder"... when rivets or screw heads are DEFORMED... out of proportion... LIKE THE SIZE OF SAUCERS... mmm
maybe the eye of the beholder is BLIND and does not notice it.... lol... you know... like panel lines... in REAL LIFE... once you are more than 20 feet from
an aircraft.. you can hardly see them... when they are fairly thick lines... it means the panels are about 2 or 3 inches apart! and no plane could fly with
that... too much parasitic drag... rivets... at more that 30 feet... they don't even show... I used to do IPMS stuff in my youthful years in Hawaii... and
folks just never understood that the panel lines in plastic models were WAY out proportion... even 1 mm in a 32 scale model... is still two big a gap...
actually.. to do it right... one had to fill the gap.. and the scribe a pencil thin and not too deep cut.. REMEMBER that in real life... the gap is barely enough
to allow a little grime in it!!! At any rate.. since it is a good FIRST step to get things going with a 2D panel... I'd like to use the program... Where do you
find this Microgaph Picture Publisher? Is it payware? I mean...is this the program that makes a 3D cockpit? I have been using Photoshop and PSP since
the 80s and you can't do CAD work with them... they are graphic editors... very good indeed... but no 3D modeling...

what I am interested in is... the 3D modeling of the cockpit... Please as much info in this process as you can muster... Thanks in advance...
G.

 

[Morton]

Ok Gaucho, I won't stretch this too far, but I must say i dont agree with you.
You may present the math calculations of the panel line width or the rivet size on a CFS2 model etc etc as much as you like. You may be right. And you are free to paint the Zero by simply dropping a white color onto the texture and claim the panel lines and rivets and details are all there. You just cant see them! But I would not care to download it. These models and textures are not real life. It's actually very simple to me. If it looks good, it's right. It's called artistic freedom.
Beside that, photos of surviving Zeros in mint condition clearly shows a lot of panel lines from distance. Then think about a tired ww2 Zero with oil leakage, rust and panels not exactly flush anymore. This is not a F-35 Gaucho.

Well, this is my opinion. Should be interesting to here what others members think about this matter..

About the 3D effect in cockpits. My explanation was maybe not good enough. The basic 3D perspective layout comes from any quality VC you see in the sim. There's no tool which will create it for you I'm afraid. And as I said, your Photoshop is probably a much better SW so stick with it.


cheers
Morton

 

[gaucho_59]

I agree entirely...

I believe in artistic judgment.. and we all differ... basically.. I paint to satisfy myself... that is why I don't post my repaints for download... if anyone wants them... they can PM me and I send them forth...
and although I can feel free to paint the Zero as you say... I really don't... this is more the type of surface finish I do:

I would hardly call this... throwing a slap of white... with no details... lol

Cheers,
G.

 

[kelticheart]

Great works of art!

Thank you Morton!

These are the usual works of art you spoiled all of us with over the years! The caramel-coloured light grey skin is a touch of perfection, depicting the extra anti-corrosion measure taken by Imperial Japanese Navy by covering all embarked planes with a clear coat of varnish which gave an amber, caramel-like colour hue.

As a matter of fact, in spite of the fact I used the stock livery for some of my repaint works on Zeros and Vals involved in the Pearl Harbour attack, they were not historically correct. I read later in a Japanese webpage, whose link I can post later on, about this practice. Some static model websites even state that the original Mitsubishi and Nakajima factory-applied colour, analysed from wrecks remnants found in the Pacific, was a very light glossy olive green which turned grey with oxidation. At any rate, the CFS2 stock light grey painted Zero and Val are not historical.

Gaucho59, please, allow me a comment: I have been a SOH member since 2002 or 3, I don't remember.
Morton set repaint standards for CFS2 previously unknown before. To the point that I wouldn't hesitate to call "Morton-style" hundreds of repaints from other authors that came afterwards.
We are all in debt with Morton for the enormous amount of repaints he uploaded, to the point that many mission writers here made a point in directing downloaders toward Morton's works in order to ensure historical credibility to their missions. As anyone can be damn' sure that any aircraft repainted by Morton looks exactly like its real-life counterpart, with all the CFS2 due limitations, of course.

I agree to correcting some technical details that are out of place, like a rudder trim tab that was never there, but can be very easily overlooked when it was seen in countless profiles and repaints done by others. For example, I just checked the Wings Palette website, all of the A6M2a and M2b profiles I saw HAVE the rudder trim tab. How about it? Not everybody owns the entire collection of Squadron Signal Publications' "In action" books, where every aircraft technical detail and versions are covered in depth. But even they can make mistakes, as we are all human beings.

There were times where I counted rivets too. I started out with my mods by replacing stock payloads and wing/fuselage pylons that look ugly to me, or I found incorrectly placed, it's rivet-counting. My comments above about the Zero camo colours is rivet-counting, I personally hate "what-ifs" and anything that's not historical, but there's a limit to criticism.
I must say that every now and then someone falls into heavy criticism, forcing SOH forum moderators interventions and thread lock-ups. An ugly picture.

So, I repeat, please,..... I don't need to add anything else.

Cheers!
KH

 

[msfossey]

Morton,

Your work looks incredible. Thank you for sharing; your efforts help makes this old sim look great.

msfossey

 

[gaucho_59]

I never raised any issues with morton's repaints!!!!

If you read my first post.... I said how beautiful his work is... I ASKED FOR INFORMATION
ON ANY PROGRAM IN USE FOR THE 3D COCKPITS!!! Look at the response for any issues...

I consider this matter closed...

 

[Ivan]

CFS1 Control Panel

Hello Morton, gaucho_59, et al.

Here is my take on a A6M control panel using instruments from stock CFS1 aircraft. The panel isn't intended to be ultra realistic; it is intended to look enough like the actual A6M panel but have as much utility as a stock Microsoft panel.

Morton, I actually created this panel by heavily editing a screenshot of a heavily modified VCockpit model. To get the perspective right, the panel model doesn't even come close to fitting inside the aircraft. Also, I found that the framing is generally too thick, so that has also been modified in the VCockpit model. I believe the effect is more noticeable in a flight sim versus the real aircraft becase we can't easily move our heads to see around a frame or use binocular vision so that the frame in our view doesn't block an object from BOTH eyes at the same time. I did this about a year ago and didn't know that you had suggested doing the same thing.

The discussion regarding its creation along with some other details about the A6M2 Model 21b is here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...99-Mitsubishi-A6M2-Model-21-and-A6M3-Model-22

Regarding the "proper" colour for the paint on the early A6M2, it is a subject of long debate among J-aircraft enthusiasts. I put my take on the proper colour on my version of the Model 21b which can be seen here. The minimum width of a panel line on a CFS1 model is generally somewhere above 1/2 inch and probably closer to 1 inch FWIW.

There is also a pretty good discussion here. If you want any of the attachments I uploaded and can't get to them, just let me know.
http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/loose-bits-off-topic/736911-mystery-zero.html

In case you hadn't guessed, the A6M Rei Shiki Sentoki is one of my favourite aircraft and that is how I originally found this thread.

Regards and pardon the diversion.
- Ivan.

 

[Captain Kurt]

Nice job Morton - as usual. Thanks