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Ban of National Flag ?

stuartcox

stuartcox

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Today was the hottest day of the year so far (in England), so I went to my local pub for a drink and a meal and sat in their lovely beer garden.

The pub is a major sports venue with big TV screens.

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After a while two uniformed police officers turned up and asked the Landlord not to display any St. George's flags during the football world cup as this could provoke problems with ...well...other national minorities.

I'm not a racist, never have been, but how far does this quest for tolerance have to go?

I'm English, I'm in England, drink in an English pub English beer, and support England!

The pub wasn't enough for the Police though, they carried on with their mission in every shop down the road.

I just ask myself "Where does this stop?"...
 
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Stuartcox,

Yeah...they did that here as well with students at a California high school wearing American flag shirts on Cinqo De Mayo.

Shameful, just shameful.
 
Personally Rami, I dont believe that the US flag is appropriate as a clothing item. Just one opinion, but an interpretation of the 1st ammendment says they can wear it.

As for the incident in the UK it is noted thet they asked and not ordered...
 
Yes, you're right, they asked, didn't order!
I shall hang a German flag and see how long my windows last!:jump:
 
Shadow Wolf 07 said:
Personally Rami, I dont believe that the US flag is appropriate as a clothing item. Just one opinion, but an interpretation of the 1st ammendment says they can wear it.

As for the incident in the UK it is noted thet they asked and not ordered...
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I'm cool with people wearing depictions of the US flag, but not actually wearing a flag itself.
 
my local has 2 massive ones hanging form its windows, no complaints yet .. i think it depends largly where you are as some police/councils are less strict in some areas than others.
 
Bjoern said:
I'd stand guard. :d


England - where PC is serious business.
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I wouldn't dream of desicrating any country's flag. If you gotta worry about having windows smashed for putting a flag in a window, that stinks. There is nothing wrong with displaying a foreign flag in a window, it could mean nothing more than pride in yuor heritage. Depending on the circumstances, it is disrespectful to run a foreign flag up a pole in a country with it's own.
 
I am American, I fly an American flag. I will not stop doing so to prevent offending someone from another country or culture. I have respect for other people's heritage, religion, race, creed, whatever...yet I will not stop being who I am, believing what I believe just because others don't like it...just as I would not expect them to change who they are, to stop believing what they believe because I don't like it.

If I were a sports fan and displaying the American or Ohio flag were part of my support for my favorite/national team...so be it. I would not go to Germany, Japan, Iraq, Egypt...and expect the people there who are showing their national pride to take down their flags and banners or to change their language or religion or culture to suit my tastes.

I will shut up now before I enter the murky field of politics.

OBIO
 
My philosophy when dealing with any issue regarding another democratic nation is that since I'm not a citizen and I don't vote in their elections, that it isn't my business. That is my definition of mutual respect.

The issue is for the English people to settle within their democratic process and I am confident that if they wish to seek a democratic facilitation, then they shall reach it.

Yes, I do have my personal views, and I'm confident those who have known me can likely determine where I would stand. But, more importantly, as the American saying goes, "I don't have a dog in that fight!"

Cheers,

Ken
 
tigisfat said:
I'm cool with people wearing depictions of the US flag, but not actually wearing a flag itself.
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Generally, I agree, but I do make an exception for US Olympic athletes. They've earned that privilege in my opinion. Just like the American flag isn't normally used as a drape, it nevertheless is draped over the coffin of a soldier -- the noble exception.

Cheers,

Ken
 
well, i have to say that i disagree with that man's general thoughts with all of my heart. i do not believe that "going too far"is ok just because many have benefitted. i am all for the benefits we have seen so far. i do believe that all men were created equal. i believe that all men should be treated with the respect they have earned. and that goes for nations as well. one of the things i love about toronto is, it doesn't matter what race you are here. people are accepted for who they are. it's totally normal to have mixed relationships here, and to have a group of friends get together and race not be an issue. it's not like that where i'm from. i'm glad to be free of it. but it'll be a cold day in hell before i kiss someone's butt solely because someone else thinks i should measure up to their standards of politness or manners.
 
tigisfat said:
I wouldn't dream of desicrating any country's flag. If you gotta worry about having windows smashed for putting a flag in a window, that stinks. There is nothing wrong with displaying a foreign flag in a window, it could mean nothing more than pride in yuor heritage. Depending on the circumstances, it is disrespectful to run a foreign flag up a pole in a country with it's own.
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I would feel uncomfortable if someone put up a black, white and red flag with a cross on it in my vicinity...be it the barely legal or illegal one.
 
Bjoern, when I mentioned the German flag, I ment the German flag, not the old nazi crap...!
But even that wouldn't be illegal in England! It might make you a bit unpopular though...!
 
Bjoern said:
I would feel uncomfortable if someone put up a black, white and red flag with a cross on it in my vicinity...be it the barely legal or illegal one.
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I think that would firmly fall under the category of a foreign flag. Worse, a flag that invaded and brutalized your nation. Under those considerations, I'd help you tear it down!

Ken
 
stuartcox said:
Yes, you're right, they asked, didn't order!
I shall hang a German flag and see how long my windows last!:jump:
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I've already got the Greek flag flying Proud... how long before my place gets confused with a fish and chip shop? sorry a lot of cypriots run chip shops...:icon_lol: and how long before the local plod comes asking me to take it down, i'll be craft, they'll talk english i'll talk greek, see if they get the message "i don't understand you and therefore my flag stays" :icon_lol:

i can't see what the issue is, the flag unites people if you see a row of pubs would you really go for the one that didn't have your flag on, no matter if the beer was 10 pence cheaper, i see a Greek flag and i make a beeline towards it, it brings me closer to my nation... even the Union flag and St. Georges flag have a similar effect, be proud to be English... what's next? asking people to remove them window flags from their cars?
 
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