Coffee,ciggarettes and WWII

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Wyld45

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As I sit here watching "A Bridge Too Far" and thinking of how the modern
has proceeded the way of our forefathers and the "Greatest Generation",Got to thinking of things other than airplanes. Is there an American Soldier among us that disagrees? As a 10 year Army vet,coffee addict and smoker, I believe our old awful American habits helped win the war.

Now for you Brit Gents that may interpret as "Tea and Crumpets", but either way, I think our children are going soft. No ciggarettes,no red meat,no enjoyable habits that are deemed unhealthy.

There is a big reason why each and every one of you are attracted to this era. An era of real men, real heroes and real machines.No panzy,health worried liberals would have won this war!

Even though I'm under the influence of Cpt.Morgan with coffee at 7:00am MO. time, you gents know the feeling under sober conditions,....well, all those 40+ Anyway! Long live the history of WWII!

My final say, I thank all of you SOH vets that have kept CFS3 a much enjoyable past-time and has re-introduced the history of WWII and flight to the younger generation. May the U.S. and all its allies always remember.

<<S>> Wyld45/Wyld Bill/MONG-1138th Rough Riders
 
The cigarettes we smoked were Lucky Strikes (Lucky Strike Green as gone to war) Camels and Chestefields, non filtered. Only someone that was light in the loafers and women smoked filtered butts. A carton in the geedunk stand would only cost seventy cents. Lucky Strikes was the unoffical smoke in the Navy.
Our coffee was pretty much adulterated by chicory, a practice still carried on in parts of the south, but I think made a pretty bad tasting coffee. I didn't get good coffee until I got in the service.
Meat was in short supply and there was a lot of horsemeat. Even in the service we got a lot of Rabbit, Beef Tongue and Horsecock.(that's what they called it)
Things have certainly changed since then.
 
My dear chap, crumpets were eaten by popsies and those at home - a flying officer dried out his tea with toast, don't y'know. That's when not quaffing stoups of ale or the odd pink gin.

As a non-smoking teetotaller I wouldn't really know, which some may think explains a thing or two. :mixedsmi: Anyone wanting to try chicory-modded coffee should purchase a bottle of Camp coffee, if it's still sold - filthy stuff!

popsies = broads in ex-colonial speak, what what!
 
I served during Desert Storm. My Boy Scout stove and instant coffee went with me everywhere. The ritual of making coffee, sitting back an enjoying a cup and smoke always made my day better.
Curt

Like your Avatar there Wyld45
 
Well as a VET I must say that I agree with Wyld 45 our children have gone soft in many ways..But to all VETs I say BRAVO... May GOD Bless each of you..Our Army in what ever generation has endured alot so many people could be free..I am Pleased to say I served my nation, and would not trade those days for anything.. even when I was asked how many "babies" I killed in Vietnam, and was spit upon.. I remembered that I was a soldier and didn't respond by fighting the civilians who hassled me.. I just walked away..We were to endure alot for our nation and I am proud to have done so..And I am pleased to say I still have several of my friends from thiose days still in my life..To those of us that remember the C-rations with cigs in them and really bad food.. BRAVO ..:ernae::ernae::medals:
 
Wyld45 said:
There is a big reason why each and every one of you are attracted to this era. An era of real men, real heroes and real machines.No panzy,health worried liberals would have won this war!
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This is more or less what 1930 japanese thought of 1930 americans ... too mild guys to win a war ... and anyway they did !
 
Helldiver said:
The cigarettes we smoked were Lucky Strikes (Lucky Strike Green as gone to war) Camels and Chestefields, non filtered. Only someone that was light in the loafers and women smoked filtered butts. A carton in the geedunk stand would only cost seventy cents. Lucky Strikes was the unoffical smoke in the Navy.
Our coffee was pretty much adulterated by chicory, a practice still carried on in parts of the south, but I think made a pretty bad tasting coffee. I didn't get good coffee until I got in the service.
Meat was in short supply and there was a lot of horsemeat. Even in the service we got a lot of Rabbit, Beef Tongue and Horsecock.(that's what they called it)
Things have certainly changed since then.
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"Only someone that was light in the loafers"

LOL!! I just love that quote, Helldiver!!
 
In Germany, anti-smoking groups, often associated with anti-liquor groups,[30] first published advocacy against the consumption of tobacco in the journal Der Tabakgegner (The Tobacco Opponent) in 1912 and 1932. In 1929, Fritz Lickint of Dresden, Germany, published a paper containing formal statistical evidence of a lung cancer–tobacco link. During the Great depression Adolf Hitler condemned his earlier smoking habit as a waste of money,[31] and later with stronger assertions. This movement was further strengthened with Nazi reproductive policy as women who smoked were viewed as unsuitable to be wives and mothers in a German family.[32]
The anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany did not reach across enemy lines during the Second World War, as anti-smoking groups quickly lost popular support. By the end of the Second World War, American cigarette manufactures quickly reentered the German black market. Illegal smuggling of tobacco became prevalent,[33] and leaders of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign were silenced.[34] As part of the Marshall Plan, the United States shipped free tobacco to Germany; with 24,000 tons in 1948 and 69,000 tons in 1949.[33] Per capita yearly cigarette consumption in post-war Germany steadily rose from 460 in 1950 to 1,523 in 1963.[4] By the end of the 1900s, anti-smoking campaigns in Germany was unable to exceed the effectiveness of the Nazi-era climax in the years 1939–41 and German tobacco health research was described by Robert N. Proctor as "muted".[4]
 
also from wikipedia :
Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, or reductio (or argumentum) ad Nazium (dog Latin for "reduction or argument to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis") is an ad hominem or ad misericordiam argument, and is a formal fallacy in logic. The name is a pun on reductio ad absurdum. The phrase reductio ad Hitlerum was coined by an academic ethicist, Leo Strauss, in 1953. Engaging in this fallacy is sometimes known as playing the Nazi card,[1] by analogy to playing the race card.

It is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. Hence this fallacy fails to examine the claim on its merit.

The fallacy most often assumes the form of "Hitler (or the Nazis) supported X, therefore X must be evil/undesirable/bad,"[1]. For example: "Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism is wrong." The tactic is often used to derail arguments, as such a comparison tends to distract and to result in angry and less reasoned responses.

The widespread use of this fallacy on internet message boards led to the creation of "Godwin's Law"- a humorous adage that as the length of an online discussion increases, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis/Hitler approaches one. Hitler/Nazi comparisons received widespread mainstream media attention in 2009 during debate on health care reform in the United States, due to comments from citizens attending town hall forums as well as radio and television commentators.
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I thought it was rather interesting because I never knew there was such Anti-Smoking hype or campaigns
untill they killed the "Marlborough Man" off commercials. Of course I can see the displeasure in seeing
their women smoke,and even if they had an inkling of health risks involved,Hitler would believe to keep
the order of having a perfect race,then you have to weed out risky habits. As a soldier though,your allready at risk,so pour the "caffeine" and light up the "nicotine"!
 
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