COLD WAR CFS2

delta_lima said:
This is encouraging ...

Yes, I forgot about '48. Mostly WWII planes, easy to use bombs/bullets/rockets munitions. I'm not sure how well CFS2 does guided missiles (AAM or SAM), I'm a bit sceptical of how realistic the 67 and later missions would be in this sim (at least compared to SFP1). But 48 and 56 would be very interesting.

I also realized that the superb work FS Shipyards has done with their Ocean, Glory, and Essex carriers - there is excellent naval dimensions to these campaigns (chiefly Suez).

This is starting to be very interesting ... :)
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The '56 Suez war would be a good one DL, my pick would be the '48 war. I really appreciate the aircraft the men make here from Lower Slobovia where only one prototype existed, they are interesting to fly, but the Czech Bf-109 as used by Israel is really overdue. I'm still skeptical of spending 21 bucks for the FLIGHT SIMULATIONS Czech '109(it has Israeli skins), I can't find anyone who owns one to ask about if it's convertable to CFS2. Edward Jablonski, in his short book on the '109, reported that 12 were purchased, 3 shot down and one heavily damaged, he had a photo of one mounted on a large pedestal outside an israeli airbase:salute:

BTW guys, sorry for the echo.

Tony Bones
 
Skins for Alpha Mig-21

Typhoon Willy said:
Hi Fibber,

You were reading my mind! Although for missions, I was looking mainly at air strikes, escort, and cap type missions. I've been digging around trying to find suitable planes that, 1. don't look too fs98ish, and 2. are fairly easy on framerates.

I was also looking into a 6 Day War and Yom Kippur War, as I understand that Israeli doctorine promoted dogfighting with guns (per History Channel's "Dogfights") I found a Mirage IIIC in IAF markings at Flightsim that converted nicely, just a little heavy on fpf's, but am unable to locate a MiG-21 in Egyptian markings nor an EAF skin for the AlphaOldies MiG-21.

The now-freeware Iris a/c convert to CFS2 but some of the control surfaces are "jacked" and the Razbam a/c definitely are ready to use.

Dean Reimer has an F/A-18C for FS2k2 that converts nicely and Chris Coarse did a dp file using stock weps, but this one's very heavy on fpm's.

Kind regards,

TW
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TW, I searched for the Alpha Mig-21 and also Egyptian skins, I've had both for quite some time now.

Aircraft(In NVNAF skin):

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...oads&FileUploadName=AlphaOldies&ammm=15&pap=4

The Egyptian skin(and the fix)are by Oldwheat and found here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...wnloads&FileUploadName=oldwheat&ammm=15&pap=4

I hope this helps:salute:

Tony Bones
 
I think that all the allied planes in the Suez operation used black and yellow stripes as ID marks. Much like the black and white stripes for the Normandy invasion. Apparently the French maintained these stripes for some years afterwards.
 
Talking of Suez, has anyone done a CFS2 conversion of Steve Beeny's FS9 Hawker Sea Hawk, i remember Steve himself mentioning in a post a while back that he'd be quite happy for someone to give his plane the CFS2 treatment.
cheers ian
 
Jagdflieger said:
I think that all the allied planes in the Suez operation used black and yellow stripes as ID marks. Much like the black and white stripes for the Normandy invasion. Apparently the French maintained these stripes for some years afterwards.
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Jagd, with the hodge-podge of aircraft used that makes sense. I had a plastic model of a 1/32 scale Mig-15 in Egyptian colors, basic Russian green, that flat color used on T-34 tanks over light grey undersurfaces. Thanks for the pic:salute:

Bones
 
Hi guys,

Another era of fighting I've not seen discussed here is the French in Vietnam in the 1950's. From what I understand they used F8F Bearcats, late model Corsairs (I believe), and Helldivers. I'm sure there are others but again, my background on this conflict is about nill.

Kind regards,

TW
 
TW

The French did indeed use the Corsair. In fact in the classic "Hell in a Very Small Place" which is a pretty agreed upon concise chronology of events of the siege of Diem Dem Phu, it is reflected that a Corsair pilot was to drop a map of the Viet Minh posiitons, in their relation to the French positions, into the perimeter of the French. Inbound the pilot had the package in his lap and the canopy open. He took evasive action due to the volume of fire and rolled the plane. The map fell out and into Viet Minh hands which was a immense help to them. It told them how close they were and of some positions they weren't aware of! The pilot? He reported the map delivered and never mentioned that it was to the wrong side that he was on. Or was it?
According to one source, so far, the Fench Indo-China Air support was; (94) F4u-7 and (25) AU-1 Corsairs, a shipboard contigent of F87's on a "jeep" carrier, (12) Fairchild C-119's, some contracted C-124's (unk number).
 
Hi Fibber,

Thanks for the confirmation. It seems that Easykill had some French Navy skins for the stock Corsair but I never considered downloading them. Maybe I'll have to go back and revisit his site and check them out.

Thanks for the ALPHA MiG-15, by the way!

TW
 
ian elliot said:
Talking of Suez, has anyone done a CFS2 conversion of Steve Beeny's FS9 Hawker Sea Hawk, i remember Steve himself mentioning in a post a while back that he'd be quite happy for someone to give his plane the CFS2 treatment.
cheers ian
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Hi Ian,

I did it for myself, and converted the textures. I never got as far as removing weapons, etc though.

TW,

The French also used the P-63 during their Vietnam episode. SC has just done some French skins for Piglet's P-63, and uploaded them at the Paintshop. The link is.........

http://sopwithc.wetpaint.com/page/DOWNLOADS+Page+8

Cheers,

PomBee.:ernae:
 
TW

N. P. and you welcome!:salute: Did you still need the 19s and 21s/ I have found them and have them squirreled. As I said Old Wheat did a some skins for the Alphas and they are in them.

Regarding the French Indo-China A.F.
Here is a site that references available books witha synopsis;

http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/references.html#english

Here is some more info. I found that you may refer to, however they are in FRENCH!

L'Aviation Militaire Francaise en Indochine 1946-1954 & L'Aviation Francaise en Indochine 1946-1954 by Jean-Claude Soumille
The holy grail of Indochina references, recommended to me by many people. Volume one, published by Association AIRDOC in 1995 covers only military types, while the second book, published in 1996, covers commercial aircraft impressed into service as well as military aircraft.
FTA:
Laurent Jeannot provided me with a list of the profiles from volume I:
Bearcat, Corsair (AU-1), Catalina, Privateer, Mosquito, B-26, RB-26, Ki-54, NC.701 (Siebel 204), DHC Beaver, C-45 Expiditor, Nord 1000 (Bf 108), L-19, Republic RC-3 Seabee, Hiller H-23, S-51 Dragonfly, Piasecki HUP-2, A6M2-N Rufe, E13A1 Jake, Dauntless, Helldiver, Ki-53 Oscar, 2 Spitfire Mk.IX, P-63, 2 Hellcats, Loire 130, Sea Otter, JRF-5 Goose and 2 MS.500.
Nowfel Leulliot provided me with the following list of the colour profiles in the second volume:
4 P-63s, 1 Spitfire, 2 Bearcats, 1 Corsair, 3 Hellcats, 1 Dauntless, 2 AAC-1s (Ju-52), 1 C-119C, 1 Noratlas, 5 B-26s, 2 Privateers, 1 Catalina, 1 Westland S-51 Dragonfly, 1 Helldiver, 1 Grumman Goose, 1 DHC-2 Beaver, 1 Air France Constellation, 1 SO-30, 2 civilian and 2 military C-47s, 1 IGN (mapping agency) B-17, 3 (Vietnamese, Lao & Cambodian) MS-500, 1 Vietnamese MD-315 and Emperor Bao Dai's personal B-24 Liberator transport

L'Armée de L'Air en Indochine, Volume 1: Transport et Bombardement by Alain Crosnier and Jean-Michel Guhl
A history of transport and bombing squadrons in Indochina, including photos and profiles, published by SUP AIR Publications in 1981. Nowfel Leulliot told me that 2 additional volumes were planned, covering Fighter/Recce and Liason/Army Cooperation/Helicopter squadrons, respectively, but the publisher unfortunately went bankrupt!
All photos include brief English captions. Aircraft covered the C-47, AAC.1, C-119, Noratlas and B-26. Coverage is broken down by squadron, with a nice mix of overall and detail photos.

and this is interestin!
Les avions allemands aux couleurs francaise; Tome 2 by Philippe Ricco
Second of a two volume series covering German aircraft in French markings. Included in this volume are the Ju 52/AAC.1, Bf 108/Nord 1000/1/2 and Si 204/NC-701/2. Unfortunately many of the photos do not give a locations, although a handful are identified as being in Indochina

Here are some the issues of magazine articles that reference this subject;
http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/references.html#magazines

Here is some references regarding the French Air Arm during various post-WW2 conflicts;
http://www.ffaa.net/menus/menu_history.htm

Photos of A 26s over I.C.
http://napoleon130.tripod.com/id440.html

A chronology of the French AF in I.C. including aircraft used. This one is real interesting!
http://www.paquelier.com/paqsenior/aFrame3.htm

Enough for now!
 
Hi Pombee,

I downloaded Piglet's P-63 not long ago, but thanks. I love Piglet's stuff, always top shelf!

Hi Fibber,

Thanks, but I did a search the other night in our library and picked up Old Wheat's stuff. The MiG-21 is my favorite adversary as far as modern jet combat and it looks good in just about any nation's colors.

TW
 
For the French-Indo era there is also the "French metallic skin that I did for the Ju-52 upgrade", which was the intent of providing some period type transport/bomber for that era/campaign along with the many other places that the Ju-52 was used.
 
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