Compiling Gmax models over 64,000 pollies big...
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Felixthreeone
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64,000? What on earth are you creating this time.....
Just redoing the Kodiak.. The Epic ran into this as well. I cant believe that redoing my landing gear brought it right over the edge. Man.. I am hoping I can break this barrier as I really dont want the old version landing gear on this girl. It looks far better... arrghh...
Bill
Bill
michael davies
Charter Member 2012
You can beat 64K quite easily, I've done 72K.
Couple of pointers, you need a nice clean mesh to begin with, try to reduce the number of materials assigned, make sure all animations are linear, avoid Euler like the plague, use axis driven animations if possible....rudder etc. try to reduce the number of key frames for an animation, 0-100 is only two, 0-25-50-75-100 is four and may have an impact.
Reduce the number of parts or sub sections, lower is better, around 120 parts in the hierachy and you'll be getting into trouble, avoid large parts above 8-10,000 polys if possible, join sub sections and weld any vertices if possible, that will also reduce material amounts as they become a merged material.
Remove all back face polys, finally make sure all internal edges flow in the same direction, see image below, notice how the majority ofdotted edges are facing the same way ( I havent done them all as this is for indication purposes only ), this helps smooths the surface and helps the compiler and increases FPS as well as the sim has less work to do.
You should be able to get to 67k very easily, above 68k is hard work.
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Michael
Couple of pointers, you need a nice clean mesh to begin with, try to reduce the number of materials assigned, make sure all animations are linear, avoid Euler like the plague, use axis driven animations if possible....rudder etc. try to reduce the number of key frames for an animation, 0-100 is only two, 0-25-50-75-100 is four and may have an impact.
Reduce the number of parts or sub sections, lower is better, around 120 parts in the hierachy and you'll be getting into trouble, avoid large parts above 8-10,000 polys if possible, join sub sections and weld any vertices if possible, that will also reduce material amounts as they become a merged material.
Remove all back face polys, finally make sure all internal edges flow in the same direction, see image below, notice how the majority ofdotted edges are facing the same way ( I havent done them all as this is for indication purposes only ), this helps smooths the surface and helps the compiler and increases FPS as well as the sim has less work to do.
You should be able to get to 67k very easily, above 68k is hard work.
Best
Michael
Thanks Michael,
You know, I do remember having 'fluctuations' in limit size a couple of years ago. Presently, the model with interior is hovering at 158K, and all I did was redo the struts and landing gear, so I must have already been over the 64K zone.
I'll try those tricks out Michael. Thanks for the advice.
Bill
You know, I do remember having 'fluctuations' in limit size a couple of years ago. Presently, the model with interior is hovering at 158K, and all I did was redo the struts and landing gear, so I must have already been over the 64K zone.
I'll try those tricks out Michael. Thanks for the advice.
Bill
hey Monk,
We have talked about this at FSDeveloper.com, like pasting in all the triangle coordinates for the mesh in the ASM files, but it still needs to compile and the numbers of the triangles are lost and need to be numbered.
I believe the issue is in the primary compiler. There is where it stalls and says the job is too large to be compiled. The others seem to be fine, from what I have been able to gather.
(The compilation process involves conversion to ASM, AZM, X, BGL, and then MDL formats. I think I missed 1 or 2 formats in that stack).
That and I need to know if FS9 runs with a model that has 100,000 polygons or more in it. Maybe the sim crashes! I dont know...
I hate it when this happens... arrghh..
Bill
We have talked about this at FSDeveloper.com, like pasting in all the triangle coordinates for the mesh in the ASM files, but it still needs to compile and the numbers of the triangles are lost and need to be numbered.
I believe the issue is in the primary compiler. There is where it stalls and says the job is too large to be compiled. The others seem to be fine, from what I have been able to gather.
(The compilation process involves conversion to ASM, AZM, X, BGL, and then MDL formats. I think I missed 1 or 2 formats in that stack).
That and I need to know if FS9 runs with a model that has 100,000 polygons or more in it. Maybe the sim crashes! I dont know...
I hate it when this happens... arrghh..
Bill
Baron von Blutwurst
Charter Member
If I remember Bill, if you can get the model to compile,and it's larger than roughly 72000, the sim will not render it.
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Randy
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Randy
hey Monk,
We have talked about this at FSDeveloper.com, like pasting in all the triangle coordinates for the mesh in the ASM files, but it still needs to compile and the numbers of the triangles are lost and need to be numbered.
I believe the issue is in the primary compiler. There is where it stalls and says the job is too large to be compiled. The others seem to be fine, from what I have been able to gather.
(The compilation process involves conversion to ASM, AZM, X, BGL, and then MDL formats. I think I missed 1 or 2 formats in that stack).
That and I need to know if FS9 runs with a model that has 100,000 polygons or more in it. Maybe the sim crashes! I dont know...
I hate it when this happens... arrghh..
Bill
Sure wish I could answer that Bill it's just been too long since I've played with any of this. I do remember that the model file that FS would actually render was far far higher than what the programs of the day would let you compile. Good luck, really looking forward to the new Kodiak.