I haven't been to the CalClassic site with this problem yet, I'm gambling someone here has had this problem and whipped it and can tell me what I'm doing wrong. There's a certain sequence to start the engines with, I've done it both with internal and external views and it's worked both ways. However, I'm currently unable to start the engines either manually or with auto-start. Can anyone remember the sequence in which the engines are supposed to be started, or what the trick is to get them to start?
DC-7C engine start problems
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Starting sequence is 3 - 4 - 2 - 1, as it was in reality (in case of an engine fire on startup, that made the engines easily accessible with minimum risk to the nervous fireguard waiting with his hand-held powder extinguisher...)
To start:
1) open top panel (bottom right emblem next to the climb indicator) and throttle quadrant (middle right emblem)
2) make sure cowl flaps are fully open, props are at full fine, generators are off, and magneto's set to 'both';
3) set engine selector to desired engine
4) set fuel boost pump
5) slightly open throttles (around 5%)
6) troggle ignition. At this point, the mixture handle on the throttle quadrant will automatically go to a low setting; shift it fully upward.
7) loosen ignition key.
8) set engine generator
9) switch engine selector to the next engine in sequence and repeat from step 4.
10) when all four engines are running, set the engine selector dial to '0' (safe)
Usually, the two items that are forgotten are that the throttle has to be slightly cranked, and that the mixtures automatically reset on starting.
Hope this helps.
To start:
1) open top panel (bottom right emblem next to the climb indicator) and throttle quadrant (middle right emblem)
2) make sure cowl flaps are fully open, props are at full fine, generators are off, and magneto's set to 'both';
3) set engine selector to desired engine
4) set fuel boost pump
5) slightly open throttles (around 5%)
6) troggle ignition. At this point, the mixture handle on the throttle quadrant will automatically go to a low setting; shift it fully upward.
7) loosen ignition key.
8) set engine generator
9) switch engine selector to the next engine in sequence and repeat from step 4.
10) when all four engines are running, set the engine selector dial to '0' (safe)
Usually, the two items that are forgotten are that the throttle has to be slightly cranked, and that the mixtures automatically reset on starting.
Hope this helps.
Excellent, Okami - to quote Forrest, "I'm pretty tahred - I think I'll rest for a whahle" - I can write that, I'm married to someone who talks just like that, and after growing up with those flat midwestern accents it's nice to hear those gentler tones. At any rate I will give this a go in the morning and, after startup, will save it in a text file in the "hexes" folder.:salute:
Okami - did exactly as you described. The procedure works perfectly for the DC-6, DC-6A, DC-6B, and DC-7 - except for the DC-7C. Thinking the DC-7CF may have had some slight difference that would let the engines start, I tried it instead but got the same results - I still get nothing but the prop spinning and no engine firing.
Here is the relevant "fuel" entry in the DC-7C's config file:
[fuel]
;max fuel 7824 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS=51000lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
LeftMain=0,-15,0,2500,0
RightMain=0,15 ,0,2500,0
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1750,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1750,0
fuel_type=1.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=0
Engine.0=4.333, -31.800, -1.117
Engine.1=4.917, -19.133, -2.333
Engine.2=4.917, 19.133, -0.433
Engine.3=4.333, 31.800, 0.517
fuel_flow_scalar=0.865 ;very low SFC achieved by turbo compounding
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
Here's the one from the DC-7:
[fuel]
;max fuel 5512 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS = 35830lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
//LeftMain=0,-15,0,1532,0
//RightMain=0,15 ,0,1532,0
External1=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
External2=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
number_of_tank_selectors=4 //for KM Panel
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1454,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1454,0
fuel_type=1.000000
//number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=0
//Engine.0=0.633, -28.500, 1.583
//Engine.1=1.117, -15.933, 0.467
//Engine.2=1.117, 15.933, 0.467
//Engine.3=0.633, 28.500, 1.583
Engine.0=0.633, -26.450, 1.583
Engine.1=3.39, -12.92, 0.305
Engine.2=3.39, 12.92, 0.305
Engine.3=0.633, 26.450, 1.583
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
fuel_flow_scalar=0.865 ;very low SFC achieved by turbo compounding
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
Is there a separate DC-7C panel at CC that should be applied here? Another question - somewhere in the recesses of my mind there's a statement made by someone familiar with these panels that relates they won't start from an internal view. I tried starting from an external view, just using the pop-ups for the throttle quadrant and the overhead panel, but no soap. I'm at a loss to figure out why the DC-7C and CF alone won't start using this procedure.
Here is the relevant "fuel" entry in the DC-7C's config file:
[fuel]
;max fuel 7824 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS=51000lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
LeftMain=0,-15,0,2500,0
RightMain=0,15 ,0,2500,0
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1750,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1750,0
fuel_type=1.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=0
Engine.0=4.333, -31.800, -1.117
Engine.1=4.917, -19.133, -2.333
Engine.2=4.917, 19.133, -0.433
Engine.3=4.333, 31.800, 0.517
fuel_flow_scalar=0.865 ;very low SFC achieved by turbo compounding
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
Here's the one from the DC-7:
[fuel]
;max fuel 5512 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS = 35830lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
//LeftMain=0,-15,0,1532,0
//RightMain=0,15 ,0,1532,0
External1=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
External2=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
number_of_tank_selectors=4 //for KM Panel
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1454,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1454,0
fuel_type=1.000000
//number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=0
//Engine.0=0.633, -28.500, 1.583
//Engine.1=1.117, -15.933, 0.467
//Engine.2=1.117, 15.933, 0.467
//Engine.3=0.633, 28.500, 1.583
Engine.0=0.633, -26.450, 1.583
Engine.1=3.39, -12.92, 0.305
Engine.2=3.39, 12.92, 0.305
Engine.3=0.633, 26.450, 1.583
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
fuel_flow_scalar=0.865 ;very low SFC achieved by turbo compounding
min_throttle_limit=0.100000
Is there a separate DC-7C panel at CC that should be applied here? Another question - somewhere in the recesses of my mind there's a statement made by someone familiar with these panels that relates they won't start from an internal view. I tried starting from an external view, just using the pop-ups for the throttle quadrant and the overhead panel, but no soap. I'm at a loss to figure out why the DC-7C and CF alone won't start using this procedure.
I've downloaded and reinstalled the DC7pnlKMCC from CC, along with all gauges, then tried another engine start IAW the procedures previously given. Thought a fresh infusion of materials would remedy the situation. I can not get the engines to start whether I am using the autostart or manual start, either in internal or external view mode.
Problem is solved. Here's how:
As mentioned, I have a PanAm DC-7 in the hangar. I opened the config file for the aircraft, and noted the fuel section said this:
[fuel]
;max fuel 5512 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS = 35830lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
//LeftMain=0,-15,0,1532,0
//RightMain=0,15 ,0,1532,0
External1=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
External2=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
number_of_tank_selectors=4 //for KM Panel
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1454,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1454,0
fuel_type=1.000000
//number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
I then went back to the DC-7C's config file, and checked its fuel section - it said this:
[fuel]
;max fuel 7824 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS=51000lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
LeftMain=0,-15,0,2500,0
RightMain=0,15 ,0,2500,0
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1750,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1750,0
fuel_type=1.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
I noted the difference in fuel selectors, and in particular how the DC-7 has the note re: "for KM Panel" in it. I use the KM panel for the DC-7C as well.
Next step was to comment out the existing fuel section in the DC-7C's config file, then import the fuel section from the DC-7. Then, replace the -7's fuel quantities and weights with those of the -7C, and change the selectors from "1" to "4." Saved everything, then went back and checked the (new) overhead panel. All four fuel gauges now read full with electrical/avionics power applied. Gallons/weights are as they should be. Engines now start on "aux" or "main" fuel tank selector settings. Looks like we're back in business. Not sure how that original DC-7C panel got into that condition, but it's a moot point now.
As mentioned, I have a PanAm DC-7 in the hangar. I opened the config file for the aircraft, and noted the fuel section said this:
[fuel]
;max fuel 5512 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS = 35830lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
//LeftMain=0,-15,0,1532,0
//RightMain=0,15 ,0,1532,0
External1=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
External2=0,0,0,1532,0 //for KM Panel
number_of_tank_selectors=4 //for KM Panel
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1454,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1454,0
fuel_type=1.000000
//number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
I then went back to the DC-7C's config file, and checked its fuel section - it said this:
[fuel]
;max fuel 7824 USG of high density 145 Octane High Lead AVGAS=51000lbs
;fuel density is bugged in FS2002 so volumes increased to allow correct weight
;
LeftMain=0,-15,0,2500,0
RightMain=0,15 ,0,2500,0
Leftaux=0,-15,0,1750,0
Rightaux=0,15 ,0,1750,0
fuel_type=1.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1
I noted the difference in fuel selectors, and in particular how the DC-7 has the note re: "for KM Panel" in it. I use the KM panel for the DC-7C as well.
Next step was to comment out the existing fuel section in the DC-7C's config file, then import the fuel section from the DC-7. Then, replace the -7's fuel quantities and weights with those of the -7C, and change the selectors from "1" to "4." Saved everything, then went back and checked the (new) overhead panel. All four fuel gauges now read full with electrical/avionics power applied. Gallons/weights are as they should be. Engines now start on "aux" or "main" fuel tank selector settings. Looks like we're back in business. Not sure how that original DC-7C panel got into that condition, but it's a moot point now.