Thanks Guys, Lewis the flak tower is nearly finnished, apart from the guns,Thats why i took a small diversion and done this blitz, Trying to animate the guns had me pulling my hair out (whats left of it anyway) The cfs3 gmax tutorial is next to useless, in fact it has me more confused, so it will take some time for me to figure this out, I have also been confused about the loadout guns i do for aircraft, the blitz belly pack i made works like a dream, and other gunpacks i make are useless, but i cant find out how one works and another one doe's not, Pat, a lot were used for reconnaisance, a handfull as nightfighters, and also as bombers, one of the best known ops, was when they tried to bomb the ludendorf bridge at remagen over several days, i think this was also the first opperational aircraft to have an ejector seat, i have also just managed to put in a gunsight in cockpit veiw, Not very lifelike but it gives you something to aim with.