Dover....!!!!!
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Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Other than road courses, Dover is a bane to JJ and the Hendricks camp, a Toyota will win.
Caz
Hey All,
Yeah it'll be a good race and a good place for Jimmie and Chad to get their spoiler program right and for Jimmie to break out of the slump he is in - 2 DNFs in the last 3 races. It won't be easy since Jimmie and Chad will be trying to beat the best cars in NASCAR today - the Gibbs Toyotas.
-Ed-
PS Jimmie has won 5 times at Dover.
Yeah it'll be a good race and a good place for Jimmie and Chad to get their spoiler program right and for Jimmie to break out of the slump he is in - 2 DNFs in the last 3 races. It won't be easy since Jimmie and Chad will be trying to beat the best cars in NASCAR today - the Gibbs Toyotas.
-Ed-
PS Jimmie has won 5 times at Dover.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Don't know if I'd say this since Denny has arguably won a couple of his races due to circumstances rather than pure speed...
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Well, my chicken ju-ju worked on Clint Bowyer for his actions yesterday. Can't get the chicken to work on the #48 car, might have to stick some pins in it!
Caz
Looks like the chicken worked on the last pit stop for the #48 car..LoL
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
LOL, It took a lot of choking that chicken and some expletive chants, but the chicken came through.
I'm crossing my fingers for the Virginia boys, but if KB wins, you'll hear no complaints from me.
Caz
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Toyotas like spoilers! 
I have said it before, that Kyle Busch is the best driver since David Pearson, there is not another driver in NASCAR with the sheer talent this young man has driving a race car. And now with a cooler head, he just might be an unbeatable champion.
Dover has never been good to Denny, so he'll be double happy with a P4 finish. Burton was there, it was just too good of a driver and car in front of him.
Caz
I have said it before, that Kyle Busch is the best driver since David Pearson, there is not another driver in NASCAR with the sheer talent this young man has driving a race car. And now with a cooler head, he just might be an unbeatable champion.
Dover has never been good to Denny, so he'll be double happy with a P4 finish. Burton was there, it was just too good of a driver and car in front of him.
Caz
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Toyotas like spoilers!
Caz
I still think JJ had the fastest overall car & if not for the penalty, since there was no caution (i.e. restart), Jimmie would've had Kyle.....
Hey All,
Caz called it right - a toyota win. Another gift win for Gibbs like last week not even needing to race for the win due to pit stop errors by their opponents. The 48 team is in a definite slump but better now so they can work their way through it and hopefully be ready for the final 10 when it matters. Five in a row matters more than any particular race. I also like seeing a team peak early since it's hard to maintain that performance through an entire year. Toyota has the best car - HP, handing and adjustability - I noticed it at Talledega where Toyotas were all over the front during the course of the race and it's continuing.
-Ed-
Caz called it right - a toyota win. Another gift win for Gibbs like last week not even needing to race for the win due to pit stop errors by their opponents. The 48 team is in a definite slump but better now so they can work their way through it and hopefully be ready for the final 10 when it matters. Five in a row matters more than any particular race. I also like seeing a team peak early since it's hard to maintain that performance through an entire year. Toyota has the best car - HP, handing and adjustability - I noticed it at Talledega where Toyotas were all over the front during the course of the race and it's continuing.
-Ed-
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
It depends on how many laps are left, the 18 car was the best on fresh rubber, but his car started going away after 20 laps or so and the 48 car was the best on long runs. It was definitely a KB/JJ race, no other car in the field was even close to their performance. I think JJ knew that and he busted the radar gun trying to beat KB out knowing how good he was on fresh rubber. JJ bit off his foot to spite his face today, no one else to blame but himself.
Caz
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
I still don't see it that way...In fact the only thing that's going to make me see it this way is if you say the Toyota's were underdogs in the last 2years....
Hey All,
I prefer to go with the evidence. 5 of the last 7 sprint cup races (basically ever since they put the spoiler on) have been won by either Hamlin or Busch. If that doesn't make chevy and all the chevy teams underdogs to Gibbs and Toyota - what does? Of course I guess that could just be the INTP personality type in me speaking... :d
-Ed-
I prefer to go with the evidence. 5 of the last 7 sprint cup races (basically ever since they put the spoiler on) have been won by either Hamlin or Busch. If that doesn't make chevy and all the chevy teams underdogs to Gibbs and Toyota - what does? Of course I guess that could just be the INTP personality type in me speaking... :d
-Ed-
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
I think it is your INTP personality...'Cause you seem to have forgotten all the races in the prior 2 years that Chevy won
Like I said, I'll admit if ya' say that Toyota was the underdog in the last 2 years
Hey All,
All that matters is "what have you done for me lately?" so chevy and the 48 dominating during the era of the wing is irrelevant. If you insist upon taking the long historic view then every manufacturer has been the underdog (especially my favorite MOPAR) to the France family favorite - Chevy - since the beginning of NASCAR. Not just since the era of returning to the spoiler began 7 or 8 weeks ago - when toyota became the dominant car. The interesting question is will this anomaly be resolved via improved chevy performance or a "rule change" or have the France's a new favorite?
-Ed-
All that matters is "what have you done for me lately?" so chevy and the 48 dominating during the era of the wing is irrelevant. If you insist upon taking the long historic view then every manufacturer has been the underdog (especially my favorite MOPAR) to the France family favorite - Chevy - since the beginning of NASCAR. Not just since the era of returning to the spoiler began 7 or 8 weeks ago - when toyota became the dominant car. The interesting question is will this anomaly be resolved via improved chevy performance or a "rule change" or have the France's a new favorite?
-Ed-
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Yep,
I insist on taking the historical view 'cause I don't remember you ever saying that Toyota were the underdogs & Hendrick motorsports had the best cars out
I insist on taking the historical view 'cause I don't remember you ever saying that Toyota were the underdogs & Hendrick motorsports had the best cars out
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Truth be known, the most reliable and profitable American auto maker, Ford, is the one behind the eight-ball.
Ed, way back when, I was a Mopar man, but after owning a Chrysler Town & Country and having the transmission go south in less than 15,000 miles and with a dealership that said they replaced the tranny under warrenty, only to have it go south again this past Saturday (less than 3 weeks after being replaced) in the middle of a busy street, when I was in most need as I was co-directing a 5K race, I don't care if Chrysler goes totally bottoms up, they make sheet automobiles these days and there is nothing FIAT or Lancia can do about it. Like Daimler, they'll driop the company or go under within 5 years. I had the *** towed to the dealer, who was not open. I will be taking the keys to them tomorrow and I am going to tell them to fix it and sell it, take their commission and give me the rest. If I ever buy another American automobile, it will be Ford. I've own three Chevys too and have never got one paid off without some major repair. Owned three Hondas, not one problem whatsoever. My next vehicle will more than likely be another Honda Fit as my oldest son will be taking mine away next year!
Brian France is in control now, not the two Bills, who were dominate GM people. No doubt Ford will be the first to gripe though and ask for a level table. That's all BS, catch up or fall out, that's the rule of competition
Caz
Ed, way back when, I was a Mopar man, but after owning a Chrysler Town & Country and having the transmission go south in less than 15,000 miles and with a dealership that said they replaced the tranny under warrenty, only to have it go south again this past Saturday (less than 3 weeks after being replaced) in the middle of a busy street, when I was in most need as I was co-directing a 5K race, I don't care if Chrysler goes totally bottoms up, they make sheet automobiles these days and there is nothing FIAT or Lancia can do about it. Like Daimler, they'll driop the company or go under within 5 years. I had the *** towed to the dealer, who was not open. I will be taking the keys to them tomorrow and I am going to tell them to fix it and sell it, take their commission and give me the rest. If I ever buy another American automobile, it will be Ford. I've own three Chevys too and have never got one paid off without some major repair. Owned three Hondas, not one problem whatsoever. My next vehicle will more than likely be another Honda Fit as my oldest son will be taking mine away next year!
Brian France is in control now, not the two Bills, who were dominate GM people. No doubt Ford will be the first to gripe though and ask for a level table. That's all BS, catch up or fall out, that's the rule of competition
Caz
Hey All,
Caz I'm an "old" MOPAR guy - as in pre 1975ish. After the mid70s sometime cars of all American makes went downhill. I have a 1990 Cummins diesel PU that I love and the only recent Chrysler I have liked driving is a PT Cruiser - but the fuel economy was poor as was the power. Cool car though. I've also had a mid70s Datsum PU and we've had an 84 Accord and now an 01 Xterra. The Honda was outstanding and the Xterra is also but for the fuel economy. I cheer for Dodge now mostly for sentimental reasons and they are the truest most abused underdog in NASCAR.
We'll eventually see if Brian is a GM man or not.
-Ed-
Caz I'm an "old" MOPAR guy - as in pre 1975ish. After the mid70s sometime cars of all American makes went downhill. I have a 1990 Cummins diesel PU that I love and the only recent Chrysler I have liked driving is a PT Cruiser - but the fuel economy was poor as was the power. Cool car though. I've also had a mid70s Datsum PU and we've had an 84 Accord and now an 01 Xterra. The Honda was outstanding and the Xterra is also but for the fuel economy. I cheer for Dodge now mostly for sentimental reasons and they are the truest most abused underdog in NASCAR.
We'll eventually see if Brian is a GM man or not.
-Ed-