FS2024 Marketplace to launch with native ‘24 products only

DennyA

DennyA

SOH-CM-2023
From Dean at DC Designs on his Discord:

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So instead of fixing FS2020 compatibility issues (will we ever see pilots or usable digital displays?) to the point where they can comfortably offer 2020 products, they’re just only going to launch native 2024 products. This also means that 2020 planes that are enabled in 2024 won’t get fixes and updates to fix compatibility issues that devs implement.

I have to hand it to Asobo. I was a hardcore MSFS addict. Spent multiple hours every week flying, checking out new add-ons, promoting their product with screen shots, etc.

Now, I load FS2024 about once a week to see if any of my post-launch Marketplace purchases have shown up in my library yet (they haven’t) or if SU1 has launched (it hasn’t). Indications from devs are that that stuff like the displays and the missing pilots were fixed before the holidays but still haven’t been released to users.

So thanks, Asobo. Your handling of this has helped cure an addiction that goes back to the C64. At least the new Indiana Jones game is fantastic and I have more time to play that. Appreciate the unintentional intervention.
 
Reading more closely, as developers update their FS2020 planes, it implies PC users will be able to download the updates using FS2020 and copy/paste them to FS2024.

* Wow, that’s just an embarrassingly hacky “solution”
* My experience so far with FS2020–>FS2024 was that Marketplace purchases copied over from 2020 didn’t show in 2024. But that might change when 2024 Marketplace ships, I suppose.
 
Native 2024 planes are problematic as the simulator workings are not yet stable and subject to change. Progress on native aircraft will undoubtedly be slow and dependent on the base sim stabilizing.
 
Well, I think I kinda understand why MS/Asobo chose this path for now. People, especially newcomers, will want add-ons that contain all the bells and whistles the latest sim has to offer. It's a bit like ISP's, who favor new customers over their long standing ones. Because they know the latter wil stick around anyway.
 
Spending my time in 2020, also. I saw that there are developers still releasing new products for 2020 (Blacksquare's Starship for one) and I hope they see there will be a market for 2020 products going forward.

LouP

Also, while I'm on my rant, did anyone else seem to notice that the fixes needed mostly by PC users are constantly getting pushed to the back of the line?
 
Hello,
I would like to give some information about FS24 from the developer point of view.
FS24 allows to visualize two types of aircraft:
- those developed to the FS24 standard with a modular system that allows them to be used in the Career and Freeflight environment
- those that come from FS20 and are only usable in Freeflight but cannot use the native pre-flight functions or the Career environment; they are named "Legacy aircrafts".

If aircraft are to be developed in the FS24 standard, it is necessary that:
- the simulator is more advanced, that the remaining bugs are fixed
- the SDK is also completed because there are too many dark areas, undetailed aspects, paragraphs being written
- while we could access the information of certain base aircraft FS24 masks everything making it impossible to study the planes that we bought
- the SDK processes that allowed for rapid testing (SDK’s Quickload function) must also be reactivated or the SDK must offer something effective to replace it.

For now, despite the request to open the aircraft files of the basic versions, Asobo has always refused arguing that this is contrary to the copyright of the creators of these planes (FS20 allowed it therefore either the copyright was violated or there is another reason ...).
This request has been made by the community since October and the discussion is dragging on:
https://devsupport.flightsimulator....ects-now-that-everything-is-streamed/10534/17

https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/sdk-documentation-lacks-in-flight-model-creation/12729/6

Regarding the Quickload function, Asobo replied that it was obsolete and prose a workaround via the use of Projects files, which some developers have tried and not been won over: the time loss is too big compared to Quickload.

Anyway, there is a lot of tension between the developer community and Asobo, which can be seen if you read the many posts on this link:
devsupport.flightsimulator.com

[MSFS 2024] Questions & Community Discussions

SDK Q&A platform for 3rd party developers
devsupport.flightsimulator.com devsupport.flightsimulator.com
 
I am taking a hiatus from buying addons. There is too much confusion for me. Besides, I have enough airplanes that I bought and don't fly, airports that I bought and don't visit to last my lifetime. I am using my flight sim time to work out the kinks between the motion platform software and hardware.
 
jmig said:
I am taking a hiatus from buying addons. There is too much confusion for me. Besides, I have enough airplanes that I bought and don't fly, airports that I bought and don't visit to last my lifetime. I am using my flight sim time to work out the kinks between the motion platform software and hardware.
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I made the decision a while back of no more Marketplace purchases for foreseeable future. Too much uncertainty and also the appearant confusion about who is taking the responsibility for fixing the MP aircraft I already own. Sticking with direct from the developer or mainly Simmarket for now.

Forest
 
Priller said:
I made the decision during the holidays to lay off of 2024 until M$ make it workable.

Priller
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Yep. Although I mentioned being comfortable with direct from developer or Simmarket, I won't be purchasing anything until we actually see a major improvement to the missing free flight and MP elements I think are missing.

The one purchase I have made was to get BeyondATC up and running. That was mainly because of MSFS past history of actually never fixing the ATC or AI aircraft in any version of MSFS. From the looks of what the "masses" are saying as their priorities on the MSFS fix list, I'm not putting too much faith in them fixing either in 2024 any time soon.

With how badly they misled about 2020 purchases and the abortion that the MP is now, I can't help thinking they've done long term damage to the MP appeal????

Forest
 
Everyone is dissing FS24, perhaps it's only because I fly in Free Flight mode, but I have yet to have a problem. The FS24 SDK is miles better than the SDK in FS20. I even have the Bijan trees and seasons until Asobo/MS figure out how to do seasons, Active Sky, and FSRealtistic, all of which work Jim Dandy in FS24 min Free Flight. I really could care less about the other flying Options, I'm going on 79 myears of age, I am in it for the creativity of the SDK and the fun of flying aircraft I have always wanted to fly. FS24, however, is severely missing trains because the tracks in FS24 are more well defined than in FS20.

Cazzie
 
Cazzie said:
Everyone is dissing FS24, perhaps it's only because I fly in Free Flight mode, but I have yet to have a problem. The FS24 SDK is miles better than the SDK in FS20. I even have the Bijan trees and seasons until Asobo/MS figure out how to do seasons, Active Sky, and FSRealtistic, all of which work Jim Dandy in FS24 min Free Flight. I really could care less about the other flying Options, I'm going on 79 myears of age, I am in it for the creativity of the SDK and the fun of flying aircraft I have always wanted to fly. FS24, however, is severely missing trains because the tracks in FS24 are more well defined than in FS20.

Cazzie
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I don't know if I really think some of the disappointment folks have is truly dissing the entire 2024 sim. What I've sort of noticed is that different groups are knocking the parts that don't work that they see as important to their style of flying. For instance, when I go check Avsim, overall, it seems most are more than happy with the tubeliner flying, but maybe not so happy with other things. Over on Steam you see them cranky about the more gamey parts of the sim like the Career options, but you don't see much grumpiness about other parts. Here in SOH, it leans towards a style of flying and have important wants and grumpiness towards parts that are different than those other sites.

I'm also only a free flyer. I'm just short of 17,000hrs in my logbook, all free flight. I've pretty much enjoyed every flight I've made so far in 2024, to the point where I made the decision to stick with it for now, better or worse.

But as a free flyer, I also get mildly grumpy on every flight for several reasons which I think are valid free flight elements:
-ATC is light years worse than MSFS2020. At least in 2020 it was fairly useful.

-The inflight EFB is just shy of being useless other than fueling up the aircraft. Thank goodness for LNM and PMS50 for being able to easily find nav data while inflight.

-AI is just as bad as 2020. But there is also a degree of grumpiness towards MSFS when they promised real world airlines, but that doesn't actually work properly.

-The Aircraft Selection menu design to pick an aircraft to go free flighting, doesn't make near as much sense as the one in 2020 did. Actually, all of the GUI menus are pretty much a disaster.

-Out of the 43 MSMP aircraft I purchased that we were all told were going to be 2024 compatible, turned out not to be the case. Of those only 6 are ones that I would give the thumbs up as compatible, and another 7 aircraft have never shown up.

Bottom line, I'm enjoying MSFS2024, but I'm also terminally realistic about its current condition.


Forest
 
I hadn't flown into Washington National in a couple of decades (IRL) so I thought I would give it a try last night, given all the Sturm und Drang. Much as I remember it, however MSFS 2023 has a large hangar positioned right on the landing end of rwy 33? I am pretty much hunkered down in 2024 just because I have a number of projects for the new sim. Looking forward to SU1 making more things work. I do remember people in 2020 complaining about even SU 15. Some things never change. For the average simmer looking to just do his usual fun stuff, probably better with 2020 still. It can be really fun with bug smashers and helicopters.
 
I tried FS2024 - biggest issue for me is that viewing the aircraft in external mode in VR, parts of the plane disappear as you pan around which is a pretty poor experience for a new bit of software.

On the face of it, it looks great, but I'm sticking with DCS - although the scenery is not as good, its more rounded and complete. Why they decided to release it in this state is beyond me - surely the beta testers spotted glaring issues like the one I mention?!!
 
I'm replying here as there is some uncertainty about how MSFS2024 is going to be handled regarding MSFS2020 products. There are rumours that 2020 aircraft will continue to show up in MSFS2024 Marketplace once it re-opens, but nobody really seems to be sure and as ever Microsoft and Asobo are vague and opaque about it all.

My current updates are all almost complete and will all have been sent out by the end of next week. These are all tested as functional in MSFS2024 in general terms ( but are not native conversions ). Most things should work fine, but until proper conversions are done, it's all a bit of a mystery really.

Like so many users, I'm just staying on the fence, working to make my aircraft better, and waiting for the newer sim to stabilise a bit before pushing on with native conversions. It seems to me a bad idea to spend ages working on those conversions, only for Asobo to then "fix" things and break any work that might have already been done by me.

The poor launch of MSFS2024, and the current dearth of sales as a result of folks quite rightly being unwilling to buy new products due to the many uncertainties, has resulted in many developers seeing their incomes dry up entirely ( literally, zero sales ). I really don't think MS and Asobo think about the effect they have on some people's livelihoods. I'm fortunate enough not to be one of them, but it still makes me angry to see the mess they have made of some people's hard-earned businesses.
 
On the upside, yesterday’s dev update indicates many of the most egregious issues should be solved by SU2, assuming they only screw up 10-15% of those fixes…(Gods, the “fix” for the Tobii issue was embarrassing.)

On the sad side SU1 still isn’t complete, so SU2 is likely at least a couple more months away.
 
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