FS9 Landclass

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harleyman

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I have Genesis mesh..Am thinking about getting justins FS9 Landclass..

Any users here and thoughts please? Likes / Dislikes?

Last does it have a big impact on what you see?

Thanks
 
Hi,

I've used the FSGenesis USA landclass for some years, and it seems fine, although obviously its difficult to say exactly how "accurate" it is as I live in the UK rather than the US !

Alastair
 
Thanks for that..Not real concerned about accuracy..

Does it all much detail over stock FS9 ?
 
I bought it recently - and was disappointed.
The package totals about 2.5 Mbs... to give you an idea of resolution.
I am VERY familiar with the Wasatch Front area in Utah, and, because I fly there in sim most often, I am also VERY familiar with the Wasatch Front in sim... sad to say, I saw NO difference, and, unfortunately, NO improvement...

Of course, since I am already running Ultimate Terrain, which has included reworked urban landclasses, I might be missing something - and the Ultimate Terrain landclass adjustments are very high-quality - very accurate indeed. My biggest complaint is that neither Ultimate Terrain nor FSGenesis included in their landclass the Bingham Canyon Copper Mine, owned by Kennecott (now by Rio Tinto).
The mine, although not a part of day-to-day life in the Salt Lake Valley, is a MASSIVE VFR landmark - if it were properly depicted, it would be unmissable. (The Bingham Canyon Copper Mine, because it basically WAS the Kennecott mining company, is colloquially known as the Kennecott Copper Mine, something that Kennecotts acquistion by Rio Tinto will not erase, although the name has been 'officially' changed. The Kennecott Copper Mine is the worlds largest open-pit mine and is observable from orbit. In the valley, it is seen as a group of artificial, flattopped, reddish-grey peak in the western mountains, quite distinct from the green, pointy peaks around it. Those are the tops of the tailing piles! The mine penetrates deeper into the mountain than the tailing piles are tall... The whole complex should be impossible to miss as it is flying above it, flying past it, living near it, etc... but it simply doesn't exist in sim...)
 
Landclass isn't designed to include vfr landmarks. It's more to distinguish the difference between a wheat field and a forest. I've never seen the copper mine but I wonder how difficult it would be to make using one of those simple scenery makers.
 
rich12545 said:
Landclass isn't designed to include vfr landmarks. It's more to distinguish the difference between a wheat field and a forest. I've never seen the copper mine but I wonder how difficult it would be to make using one of those simple scenery makers.
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If you had seen the mine, you might understand why I think that is an issue best handled with Landclass and Mesh...
that thing is BIG...
 
I've never seen it so I'll take your word. I use fsgenesis landclass and ut and am pretty happy with the pair. It's not perfect but a whole
lot better than without them. I think there's a free landclass program available somewhere if that would help. And the free fsgenesis
lod10 mesh available at avsim includes utah.
 
EMatheson; do you have the coordinates for the mine? I have Rumbaflappies' LOD7 mesh installed; and was wondering if it would be on it.

I think all of these mesh are based on publicly available elevation data. Since the mine is an ongoing operation, it may not be included in the data; since I assume the mine bottom is constantly getting lower, and the culm piles larger.

-James
 
I'm very happy with FSG's US Landclass.

I can only comment on it as it applies to Western Massachusetts (my local area) and the Lake George NY area where I vacationed for many years. In both of those localities it's excellent. It puts some built-up areas, including some quite small ones, where the stock landclass had omitted them. More important to me, it gets rid of some inappropriate built-up areas where the stock FS had put them in unsettled or wilderness areas. Seeing neighborhoods in places that I knew were dense forest really reached out and stuck me in the eye, and FSG landclass rectified a lot of that sort of thing around here.

I would suppose it does the same sort of thing all over the country, but since I don't know what the rest of the country is supposed to look like, or what it used to look like in FS, I can't say how well FSG did the job.

In a sparsely settled, mountainous area I wouldn't expect FSG landclass to make any difference because I would expect that MS got it right to begin with. MS probably set it up by formula or guesswork, but in such an area their guesswork was probably mostly correct. The more human "footprint" a place has in the form of settlement or cultivation, the more opportunity there is for the stock landclass to be wrong, so the more difference something like FSG's landclass would make. Here in the Northeast the difference is striking.

They call it the FSG "USA Landclass Project" for a reason. They spent many moons soliciting input from users and making constant updates, and it seems that no detail was too small to put in (or remove, as required.) I sent them some information about Western Mass and the Lake George area and they used all of my material. Here in my home town there were a few places where I thought MS's inaccuracies were too small to bother correcting, so I didn't send them in. Apparently someone else did, because the corrections were made.

Whether this sort of thing is worth your while depends on how good or bad a job MS did in representing the areas you're familiar enough with to recognize whether or not they look right in FS.
 
Nicely said Mick........

Its on sale and I just might have to get it now...

Thanks to all who answered........:ernae:
 
jhefner said:
EMatheson; do you have the coordinates for the mine? I have Rumbaflappies' LOD7 mesh installed; and was wondering if it would be on it.

I think all of these mesh are based on publicly available elevation data. Since the mine is an ongoing operation, it may not be included in the data; since I assume the mine bottom is constantly getting lower, and the culm piles larger.

-James
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It probably would not be very impressive on an LOD 7 mesh - I am using the freeware FSGenesis LOD9 mesh for Utah in which it is present... but near impossible to find due to inaccurate landclass and the generally poor way in which FS renders terrain shadows... it blends in with the forest around it (which, by the way, is also inaccurate - the Oquirrh Mountains are most covered with short scrub-oak and aspen, not conifer!)
I am attaching a GoogleEarth .kmz file to help find it...

Edit: seems attaching is not yet repaired after the crash... the post that follows should be copied to a text file in notepad and saved as a .kmz to be used with GoogleEarth.
 
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