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Fsx Native DH-88 Comet !
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Rick_Piper
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Great job Craig 
Sent you a PM mate
Regards
Rick
Sent you a PM mate
Regards
Rick
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Another masterpiece. Thanks Craig.
Naismith
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Don't lets tell 'em then, p'raps they won't notice.
Well I believe this chap does have permission to use it, just a suggest he maybe place somthing to that effect on the site.
And if he doesnt, then at the end of the day piracy is piracy, if its ripping off one of us small devs or the bigger one that brought us all here in the first place!
And if he doesnt, then at the end of the day piracy is piracy, if its ripping off one of us small devs or the bigger one that brought us all here in the first place!
Roger
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Well Lewis,
I don't agree. To "rip-off" would imply making money from the product. This clearly is not the case. There are out there in "sim-land" many people who have offered "so-called" fixes for the default Fs9 aircraft to operate in FsX...otherwise known as port-overs...Full's version of the Comet for FsX just goes one step further to allow us to enjoy one of the Fs9 default aircraft in FsX without the anomalies usually associated with port-overs. I think your comments are ill judged and unnecessary and only MS will have the right to veto or otherwise, if they choose to do so.
I don't agree. To "rip-off" would imply making money from the product. This clearly is not the case. There are out there in "sim-land" many people who have offered "so-called" fixes for the default Fs9 aircraft to operate in FsX...otherwise known as port-overs...Full's version of the Comet for FsX just goes one step further to allow us to enjoy one of the Fs9 default aircraft in FsX without the anomalies usually associated with port-overs. I think your comments are ill judged and unnecessary and only MS will have the right to veto or otherwise, if they choose to do so.
N2056
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The ramifications of this project being done at all go way beyond whether Microsoft approved it (which I doubt). I think this is the first obvious release of a "ripped" model, which implies that it can be reasonably done. Until now it was felt that although there are programs out there that grab mesh the end result was not really usable due to the amount of work needed to re-do all of the things the ripper program messed up.
peter12213
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N2056
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I will admit that I am working off of the appraisal made by Stiz, but I do so knowing his developing background. Perhaps you could clarify the whole thing for us? Understand that I feel your intentions were totally good. It's the fact that if this was "borrowed" mesh that was in fact converted then it means a lot to developers doing this for a meager paycheck. It's that it apparently can be done, not necessarily that you did it. I hope that makes sense.
warchild
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I'm not one who can look at a model and say that it came from here or there.. simply not one of my great skills, so i thank you folks that can for being able to do so.. It seems fairly obvious to me that this project was started by this gentleman with a light heart, wanting to bring something wonderful from the past into the present. from a personal standpoint, i cant fault the motives, nor the effort involved. I wish i had those skills just so i could pull a few of my favorites into fsx for my own use, but i dont.. i'm just a number cruncher..
I cannot and will not judge the morality, ethics or legality of this action. After all, I WAS one of the team that completely reworked and changed the FSX default goose wilh the OzX team.. No one jumped on us, except to correct us on how they thought it should fly as opposed to what actual goose pilots said of it.. No biggy there..
there is definitely a fear factor there.. Modelers can now have their models used by someone else.. Indeed thats a concern, and one thats not too small.. As a flight model developer, its something i have to accept all the time. it takes months of sleepless nights to get a flight model right, but for someone else to use it, it takes copy paste and change a couple lines.. So you see, i know that fear well..
Normally, i wont use or download aircraftfrom one vendor that another vendor has created, but this was a default aircraft thats simply been updated and it is well known now, that it is. If i'm going to point a finger at this gentleman, then i have to point a finger at myself, because i completely took the MS flight model on the goose and completely re-wrote it.. Base line though, is that before i changed every nymber in there, before i put my name on it, it had MS's name on it, and it had MS's numbers in it..
Flight Sim, and the cultures interest in it, are diminishing. MS has abandoned us, and we are now faced with ... what???
There is nothing wrong with the colins organization, or maam, or the confederate airforce going out, finding a scrap of a plane and restoring it using parts they have milled themselves. Perhaps, we're beginning to see a similar thing in FSX. ???
I cannot and will not judge the morality, ethics or legality of this action. After all, I WAS one of the team that completely reworked and changed the FSX default goose wilh the OzX team.. No one jumped on us, except to correct us on how they thought it should fly as opposed to what actual goose pilots said of it.. No biggy there..
there is definitely a fear factor there.. Modelers can now have their models used by someone else.. Indeed thats a concern, and one thats not too small.. As a flight model developer, its something i have to accept all the time. it takes months of sleepless nights to get a flight model right, but for someone else to use it, it takes copy paste and change a couple lines.. So you see, i know that fear well..
Normally, i wont use or download aircraftfrom one vendor that another vendor has created, but this was a default aircraft thats simply been updated and it is well known now, that it is. If i'm going to point a finger at this gentleman, then i have to point a finger at myself, because i completely took the MS flight model on the goose and completely re-wrote it.. Base line though, is that before i changed every nymber in there, before i put my name on it, it had MS's name on it, and it had MS's numbers in it..
Flight Sim, and the cultures interest in it, are diminishing. MS has abandoned us, and we are now faced with ... what???
There is nothing wrong with the colins organization, or maam, or the confederate airforce going out, finding a scrap of a plane and restoring it using parts they have milled themselves. Perhaps, we're beginning to see a similar thing in FSX. ???
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Yes, I had the impression that Microsoft abandoned further developement several years ago and that the SDK and G-Max were included to encourage further developement by individuals. Since Mr. Richardson clearly stated that this is freeware and credited the original designers, I see no problem with his efforts to improve a default aircraft.
I think Microsoft created some great simulators. I became a member and donate to Sim Outhouse because of all the developement that goes on here not only for FSX but all the way down to the basement.
I don't see any harm in this as long as it's free. People update air files and make repaints of default aircraft. What's the difference with this? Again as long as he doesn't profit from this, there's no foul. He is just improving the default model. Thank you for your time making this nice model!
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