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Great picture--do we have a Breguet 19 A2 for CFS2?
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gaucho_59
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gaucho_59
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I am going to look in simviation and other sites to see if there is a model made....
Breguet XIX (FARE)
http://simviation.com/1/download?file=SCW_Br19-R.zip&fileId=31512
Spanish Civil War Breguet BR.19 nationalist
http://simviation.com/1/download?file=SCW_Br19-N.zip&fileId=31513
http://simviation.com/1/download?file=SCW_Br19-R.zip&fileId=31512
Spanish Civil War Breguet BR.19 nationalist
http://simviation.com/1/download?file=SCW_Br19-N.zip&fileId=31513
Gaucho,
Will look tomorrow and get back to you. It is 4 a.m. here and time for bed...
I think I have profiles in books and can scan them also.
Nick
PS: Your trick with Gaussian Blur in a post for Gius is great. I will try it and see how I can manage.
Capatain Kurt got there before me! Great...
Will look tomorrow and get back to you. It is 4 a.m. here and time for bed...
I think I have profiles in books and can scan them also.
Nick
PS: Your trick with Gaussian Blur in a post for Gius is great. I will try it and see how I can manage.
Capatain Kurt got there before me! Great...
gaucho_59
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To both...
I've already got part of the livery...
all I need is the actual colors...
It is in layers, so I can do all kinds of things with it...
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Already got going... here is the work so far
I have started doing the wings... all in layers... need to know basic color or
camouflage... and figure out where the roundels go...
It is really shaping up fast... if you get me a profile or some pics with color
indicated... I should have it done in no time at all...
Here is the work so far:
I have started doing the wings... all in layers... need to know basic color or
camouflage... and figure out where the roundels go...
It is really shaping up fast... if you get me a profile or some pics with color
indicated... I should have it done in no time at all...
Here is the work so far:
More Help on the way
Gaucho,
I am emailing a friend in France who will find us, I hope, the information of the camo colors and the head insignia.
I am also emailing you through FILE SEND a zip with information and French profiles of the a/c.
Meanwhile, see for yourself here:
http://www.wwiaviation.com/gallery-breguet.html
There are many Bregeut 14 profiles, click on the images of the profiles and you get a larger profile you can save.
I include an image that shows the position of the roundels. but it is not certain the camo colors are the same.
The hardest thing will be find the fat man's head insignia, but on the link above you can find many more profiles wtih different insignias.
Also, what is the page where I can find your repaint images so I can ask for some through pm?
I also believe you had done panel bmp's that were the best ever seen--what is the link?
I could do the panel.cfg's for those and we could upload them with credit to both of us.
Let me know how you do with the link above,
Nick
Nick
Gaucho,
I am emailing a friend in France who will find us, I hope, the information of the camo colors and the head insignia.
I am also emailing you through FILE SEND a zip with information and French profiles of the a/c.
Meanwhile, see for yourself here:
http://www.wwiaviation.com/gallery-breguet.html
There are many Bregeut 14 profiles, click on the images of the profiles and you get a larger profile you can save.
I include an image that shows the position of the roundels. but it is not certain the camo colors are the same.
The hardest thing will be find the fat man's head insignia, but on the link above you can find many more profiles wtih different insignias.
Also, what is the page where I can find your repaint images so I can ask for some through pm?
I also believe you had done panel bmp's that were the best ever seen--what is the link?
I could do the panel.cfg's for those and we could upload them with credit to both of us.
Let me know how you do with the link above,
Nick
Nick
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gaucho_59
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Nice link....
The profiles are pretty good... but remember what I told you about profile art?
If you compare those profiles to the fine pic you posted on the Breguet with the fat face
insignia... Notice how subdued the doped fabric shades over the ribs are in the photo (which
although black & white better describes the real thing) and how overdone they are in
the painted profiles... So like I said... profiles are an excellent source of information... but
one cannot use them as only source... same for the colors... sun, uv radiation, etc. DO
change them... profiles are really an artist's conception (like my work...lol)... photos are
the ONLY way... and even at that... it depends on what film was used... the blues, reds, etc.
are different between brands (Kodak, Fuji, Ansco, etc.)... and even within a brand like Kodak,
Kodakchrome slides are different from Kodak color... one for slides the other for paper photos...
I used them both in the old days... and rendered different hues for the same aircraft at an airshow...
Pardon the length and going off topic... I sent you a PM about FILE SEND... I really don't know what
it is or how to use it....
G.
The profiles are pretty good... but remember what I told you about profile art?
If you compare those profiles to the fine pic you posted on the Breguet with the fat face
insignia... Notice how subdued the doped fabric shades over the ribs are in the photo (which
although black & white better describes the real thing) and how overdone they are in
the painted profiles... So like I said... profiles are an excellent source of information... but
one cannot use them as only source... same for the colors... sun, uv radiation, etc. DO
change them... profiles are really an artist's conception (like my work...lol)... photos are
the ONLY way... and even at that... it depends on what film was used... the blues, reds, etc.
are different between brands (Kodak, Fuji, Ansco, etc.)... and even within a brand like Kodak,
Kodakchrome slides are different from Kodak color... one for slides the other for paper photos...
I used them both in the old days... and rendered different hues for the same aircraft at an airshow...
Pardon the length and going off topic... I sent you a PM about FILE SEND... I really don't know what
it is or how to use it....
G.
Gaucho,
You are right of course. And modellers like me know well the different shades we get from various film types. I also used all those you mentioned in the old days.
You have a sharp eye with b&w photos. Habit I guess.
I shall install 2 other Breguets I found and see what they give re repainting them, and let you know.
More soon.
Off to send you zip through filesend.
Nick
You are right of course. And modellers like me know well the different shades we get from various film types. I also used all those you mentioned in the old days.
You have a sharp eye with b&w photos. Habit I guess.
I shall install 2 other Breguets I found and see what they give re repainting them, and let you know.
More soon.
Off to send you zip through filesend.
Nick
gaucho_59
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I responded to your PM... Here is more of the work I started on for the Breguet...
It surely is a lot better suited to mods and improvements than the LeO 45... (so much wasted effort unless I can get Baldy to revamp the model)
Of course.. the colors are tentative until I get the info from you and your French friend...
Let me know what you think...
Is that Emmanuel Geffroy's FS2004 Breguet XIV?
gaucho_59
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Good... very good...
Excellent! However... I just noticed... the typical tail markings on the tricolor..
(Bre 15 A or whatever...) are not going to be possible... unless someone like the
2B-4 guy can de-mirror the textures... the tail plane is also mirrored... (mirrored
camo schemes are just not right... )
quel domage people never think about doing more than one version... to
save time... mirror some important surfaces... like the LeO 45... or some P-38s
that have mirrored tail fins... [fortunately people like the B-24 guy come to the
rescue... I would like to learn to demirror textures... I mean what entries you need
in the DP file or wherever... [the painting of the de-mirrored surfaces is no big deal)
I have just finished a camouflage test:
and it is coming along so fine... pity
Excellent! However... I just noticed... the typical tail markings on the tricolor..
(Bre 15 A or whatever...) are not going to be possible... unless someone like the
2B-4 guy can de-mirror the textures... the tail plane is also mirrored... (mirrored
camo schemes are just not right... )
quel domage people never think about doing more than one version... to
save time... mirror some important surfaces... like the LeO 45... or some P-38s
that have mirrored tail fins... [fortunately people like the B-24 guy come to the
rescue... I would like to learn to demirror textures... I mean what entries you need
in the DP file or wherever... [the painting of the de-mirrored surfaces is no big deal)
I have just finished a camouflage test:
and it is coming along so fine... pity
Gauccho,
It looks great--the ribs on the wings look fantastic.
Can you explain how one does those ribs in Photoshop?
I telephone Roger in France, he says he knows the fat guy insignia but will let know tomorrow or the day after as he is busy at the moment. We wait then, but we shall get the information you need.
Too bad the textures are mirrored. Maybe we should ask the b-24 Guy to do it for us?
I applied your Gaussian blend layers to the Delage skin and it looks better already. I am learning fast...
More soon,
Nick
It looks great--the ribs on the wings look fantastic.
Can you explain how one does those ribs in Photoshop?
I telephone Roger in France, he says he knows the fat guy insignia but will let know tomorrow or the day after as he is busy at the moment. We wait then, but we shall get the information you need.
Too bad the textures are mirrored. Maybe we should ask the b-24 Guy to do it for us?
I applied your Gaussian blend layers to the Delage skin and it looks better already. I am learning fast...
More soon,
Nick
gaucho_59
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Excellent... that's the basic purpose of this tutorial... to get folks to experiment and be happy with results....
I don't know the B-24 guy... I think it would be worth a try... especially the texture of the fin... the stabilizers
are not that important... Acutally if he shows us how it is done... ie: the mechanism to call the de-mirrored
textures in the DP or wherever the changes are made... I know how to prepare the textures... but it only
works on a plane that has had the B-24 guy treatment... I just want to know what the input data must be and
where... the rest Kelticheart (Stefano) showed me how... but I tried to demirror another plane not treated and
just the addition of a R side is not enough... so it didn't work.... there are some changes in aircraft config file or
the DP....
I will do a quickie about fabric covered ribs... and post it...
G.
gaucho_59
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Here it is... how to do doped fabric covered skins....
As promised, I cooked this tutorial for you Nick... if you have any need
for clarifications... always at my thread... available... The synthetic instructions
might not be as explanatory as I think..... lol Enjoy the experience
Cheers,
G.
As promised, I cooked this tutorial for you Nick... if you have any need
for clarifications... always at my thread... available... The synthetic instructions
might not be as explanatory as I think..... lol Enjoy the experience
Cheers,
G.
Guys I wish it was easy to demirror a plane, but the textures are mapped as part of the model itself. It''s more than I know how to do with my meager skills but as I understand it the model has to be de-compiled and then split down the center and the mirrored side textures re-mapped to a new bitmap. The modified file then needs to be recompiled into a new model.
Allen or the B-24 guy can tell us how it works, but I think it's a fair amount of work and not that easy to do.
Allen or the B-24 guy can tell us how it works, but I think it's a fair amount of work and not that easy to do.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Guys I wish it was easy to demirror a plane, but the textures are mapped as part of the model itself. It''s more than I know how to do with my meager skills but as I understand it the model has to be de-compiled and then split down the center and the mirrored side textures re-mapped to a new bitmap. The modified file then needs to be recompiled into a new model.
Allen or the B-24 guy can tell us how it works, but I think it's a fair amount of work and not that easy to do.
Way out of my league.... I hope Father Time (the B-24 guy) hears my prayers...
or his only begotten son... (Allen)...
I'll keep looking on my prayer bowl....
G.