Guys, I'm in need of a new PC, everything but the case

My present case is a CoolerMaster Centurian, which worked really great with my Zalman CPU fan.

I kept the case as clean as possible, but still, the crappy design of the GPU fans, and the Mobo's Northbridge cooling had issues. I actually had to design my own chipset cooler as the stock ASUS chipset fan was so good, it burned out the chipset... twice.

But all-in-all, it was a great PC, and pulled it's weight right to the end. It still works, but it needs more fans, etc... and is simply outdated. It's remaining life will be to power my Berzerk MAME cabinet where it will run nicely, and give new life to the old P3 that I have in there now.

OvS
 
First off, thanks for all the kind words, gents. I am however, no tech "guru". I probably am guilty of spending too much money on tech magazines and lurking around some of the more reputable tech review sites and forums. That doesn't make me any kind of expert though.

What I've done here as in the past, is looked at budget constraints, user needs as well as concerns, then come up with what I see as the most practical, cost effective, future-proof, and best price vs performance hardware array I can put together.

The suggested hardware array leans heavily toward future-proof when compared with an LGA775 platform, regardless of dual core or quadcore processor choice. One may not realize any amazing performance benefits of running an i7 920 vs an e8600 (which incidentally is clocked higher out of the box) particularly where OFF or BIA is concerned, but I will bet you there would be benefits regardless of the lower stock clocks on the i7.

When you consider also, the i7's new built in triple channel memory controller is capable of translating into 25.6GB/s of memory transfer @ even just 1,066MHz speeds vs 10.6GB/s @ 1333MHz on a core2 duo dual channel system, the choice of the i7 coupled with 64-bit triple channel DDR3 seems like a bit of a no-brainer to me. I won't bother going into the benefits of Quickpath Interconnect technology, as it's basically part of the overall memory controller enhancements which are present in the new Nehalems. The hyperthreading and turbo-boost features of the i7 aren't just smoke and mirrors either.

It is my humble opinion that the Nehalems quite literally leave the Wolfdales and Conroes in the dust in terms of sheer bang for your buck performance levels....even at stock clock speeds. It may or may not be true, but I have read that a chimpanzee can overclock the i7 920 to 4 GHz without even taking time out for a banana break.

If you're going to go with the C2D based system, you'll need to trade the DDR3 memory in for some DDR2. The P5Q won't support it. Best to go with 4 Gig of some good, fast PC8500 (or higher). You might also consider going to the ATI 4870 to allow for a Crossfire arrangement if you decide on a quick upgrade later on. The P5Q doesn't support Nvidia SLI. Also bear in mind that Crossfire on that board will reduce your PCIe 16x slots to x8. If ATI isn't your cup of tea, I'd take the 185 dollars in savings and throw it at one of the GTX280 cards. It'll make up for some of the lost performance realized by going with a last generation platform.

Oh.....in order to to do that, you'll also have to return the breadmaker.....lmao.


Quite honestly OvS, I'd still recommend going with the newer platform. When you consider the amount you'll save with the older hardware coupled with the fact you really do limit the system's overall upgradeability by doing so, it just ain't worth the money you'll save.

I'll leave you these links to some info and benchmark results of the i7 vs the older Intel processors. You might wanna' pay attention to the fact that the benchmark testbed pits the i7 against the higher end Intel Quads including the ridiculously priced QX series. The e8600 doesn't even get to make an appearance.....and I think I know why ;)



http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16187

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16189&page=1


Cheers guys :ernae:
 
Parky, thanks for the advice and info.

With this system setup, what are the performance issues with OFF and other Flight Sim games. Does having a QuadCore create issues for them?

Also, what OS should I run. Will XPSP3 screw-up this system? I'd like to stay with it. I know Vista this and Vista that, but I'm not a fan of it other than it looks nice. XP64 is also an option, but won't that screw-up other XP programs.

I'd like an eggroll with that order of Chinese please. ;)
 
If you're not comfortable going to Vista just yet (you're not alone.....neither am I), XP32 SP3 should work very nicely with the i7 and 3 Gig of DDR3. Quadcore should not have any adverse effects on your older software. There was a multi-core processor fix incorporated into SP3 as I recall. The worst thing that'll happen is you're likely to see a nice performance boost with any of the newer multi-threaded/multi-core optimized apps or games. There aren't all that many of 'em just yet, but they're on the way. Why not be ready for 'em when they arrive?? It has become reasonably affordable.

The only reason I'd consider going to Vista exclusively, even on a newer platform, would be the 64 bit version's support for whopping great amounts of RAM and it's DX10 support. I may just experiment with it in dual-boot some time in the near future, but I wouldn't run it as my sole OS just yet. If you are going to go with Vista, might as well go 64bit and grab yourself a 6 Gig kit of RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227388 The price difference between 3 and 6 gig isn't all that much, and Vista is a resource PIG. I've seen it run on two gig....and it ain't pretty. Sluggish to say the least.

Stay away from XP 64 bit. There are no performance advantages to be seen. Trust me.....been there, done that. All it did was render a couple of older games and a few very useful and mostly free 3rd party utilities completely unusable. Vdub is one of the utilities that immediately comes to mind. I didn't compile a list, but there were others. There's also the remote chance that some of your legacy hardware (usually printers/scanners and that sort of thing) may not have 64bit driver support. Basically....stick with 32bit if going with XP.

Disclaimer: If you do choose to go with the suggested hardware array and your house burns down, your wife leaves you, or the local authorities start parking vehicles with tinted windows and loads of antennae outside your house, I will not be held legally responsible.

Solly.....flesh out of egglolls. Flogregs on special today if you rike instead.:Banane37:


Cheers,

Parky
 
Ok, you've done it now OVS, and you too Parky!

All this talk about new units, CPU, Ram:isadizzy:, etc, that I am compelled to get a new unit myself:applause:

I am not going to Vista or 64 bit. With MS 7 on it's way here, and scant little built to perform with 64 bit, the status quo should give me ~ 2 years or so of very good performance.

Cheers,

british_eh
 
Well so far I have the Case and the screen. The case is a monster. I has a huge 200mm fan on it that I swear if I could turn it on while it was empty, it would hover all over the room.

The screen rocks!!

OvS
 
Goodonya OvS. I have the Antec 900 case too and she's a beauty. like Parky said ... it's a wind tunnel. Purrs like a kitten and no more irritating over heating issues :ernae:
 
OvS,

I've got a suggestion for an array that may just rekindle your interest in PC gaming completely. I've kept it within your budget range, bearing in mind that you mentioned you already have suitable hard drives. Sounds like you're planning on using your existing case, but you may want to check and make sure it'll accommodate the suggested power supply. This thing is BIG, but you can disregard the spec that says it'll handle 2 8800GTX or lower. It'll run 2 GTX280's without skipping a beat......trust me. By far the best PSU on the market in it's price and spec range.

I've included the Antec 900 in the hardware list as I happen to know it's reasonably well suited to the suggested build. Cable management can be a bit tricky as it uses a bottom-mount psu design (Run the mobo power cable underneath the motherboard before seating the board). You can always opt for a case that allows for a top-mounted power supply if it becomes a concern. The other thing you need to consider is the dimensions of the newer video cards. The GTX260 is a big piece of hardware. I have my doubts that your current case would have room for it. Proceed with caution when considering the case's interior dimensions.

One thing I can tell you...with this setup you wouldn't have to worry about any upgrades for a long time to come. With that in mind, the suggested motherboard allows for both Crossfire or SLI arrangements and has "futureproof" written all over it. It truly does allow for significant future upgrades if the need should ever arise.

I'll do you a favour and leave out all the techno-babble based, bullshyt baffles brains, cache-this, volt-that, RAID-those, lap your silicon surfaces, and replace your mosfet heatsinks with miniature aftermarket Toyota radiator cores for better cooling nonsense that usually accompanies these types of hardware suggestions. (No need to thank me;)).

All depends on just how much you wanna' spend. If you're really trying to save a bundle, Pol's suggestion of the last generation stuff is certainly an option and would also serve you well...and save you some cash.

Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 =110
PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009 =105
MOBO http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131359 =250
CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 =295
RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145223 =159
GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130428=285
LCD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049 =290

Total Cost=$1494


Cheers,

Parky

Has anyone tried running CFS3/P2/P3 on a system like what's suggested in Parky's post?

Here's a review of the technology at SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_111a.html

Here's a review regarding the new chipset/processor and gaming:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU4MCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Thoughts?
 
CFS3 and P2/P3 (as it stands now) runs on one core only and cpu speed is of the essence. So quad core won't be advantageous to CFS3/OFF on default clock speed compared to a single core at default 3ghz plus.

But it's a nice setup for everything else.
 
Spot on Catch, but I also build for future. Most of my PC's that I build last me 4-5 years. This last one could keep up still, but it's time to put it aside for something new. Everything new I am running now is simply getting slow. I've gotten my money's worth out of her 10 times over.

The set-up Parky laid out for me was extreme, but worth it. With the graphics card, and CPU set-up, it will blow away what I am used to now, so that will be miles ahead. :)

OvS
 
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