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How to fly the Milviz ADV Phantom?

delta_lima said:
One last question, I recall reading somewhere that an additional bug in P3Dv4.5 was the nosewheel oleo extension for carrier launches was not working correctly, and/or there were issues attaching to carriers. Have you found any issues specific to carrier operations?
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There's a known issue regarding the Milviz F-4s and the SWS carriers, if that's what you mean.
It's nothing to do with P3Dv4.5, specifically.

Dave
 
dhazelgrove said:
There's a known issue regarding the Milviz F-4s and the SWS carriers, if that's what you mean.
It's nothing to do with P3Dv4.5, specifically.

Dave
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Oh, so the Milviz Phantom (patched with the ADV pack) in P3DV4.5 will behave correctly with all other (SDB CVN-65, etc, Ark Royal, etc.) carriers?

thanks,

dl
 
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delta_lima said:
Oh, so the Milviz Phantom (patched with the ADV pack) in P3DV4.5 will behave correctly with all other (SDB CVN-65, etc, Ark Royal, etc.) carriers?

thanks,

dl
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Well, I can't speak for everything, but.....

Dave
 
delta_lima said:
Maybe not the ideal thread, but seeing it's the newer of the two Milviz Phantom threads, here goes:

Last fall I bought the Milviz F-4J/S package. Version in the zip - and the latest according to my simmarket records - is MV_F-4SJ_Phantom_II_vA1.180712_JS.zip.

I spent the entire evening tearing my hair out trying to get this to run. After a minute or so, as I was getting systems switched on, it would crash. I manually uninstalled it from my addons folder and even (against my better judgement) installed in the root P3Dv4 folder - and same thing.

Now, it's installed on my root, the uninstaller doesn't remove everything, so I have to reinstall it elsewhere, then do a file-by-file comparison and manually delete for all the gauge, gauge, module, sound, etc. folders. That's only so my system is back to where it was before this gigantic boondoggle.

So am I right that even though the literature claimed - and was echoed by a P3DV4 option on the installer - that this product will not work in P3DV4? And am I right that from reading this thread, even if were I foolish enough to part with even more money for the ADV version, that I'm still not likely to have a working product, given that I don't own TacPac?

I apologise if I'm a bit cranky, but I'm trying to square the circle on how a product that was billed as P3Dv4 compliant when I bought wont work in that sim. I'm trying to keep an open mind with Milviz, but after buying the E and the J/S models to not have them working anymore is not leaving a good taste in my mouth.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

thanks,

dl
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Which version of p3dv4 are you trying this on?
 
odourboy said:
That may be it then. AFAIK, support for the 'standard' verdion ended at 4.3. You require the ADV installer to tun on 4.4 or 4.5.
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Yes - that’s the premise in my question from earlier today. That does getting ADV get me a working product or not. I’m hearing conflicting accounts, where folks have gotten ADV and still had issues with the product working anywhere as good in p3dv4 as it did in FSX.

Frankly, for the caliber of what is claimed and charged, it’s increasingly looking like an untenable cluster.
 
n4gix said:
Your best source of support is in the official product forums at milviz.com.
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No. I believe you’re missing the point. Support come after the purchase, if required. The issue is whether this purchase is likely to work as claimed.

Is purchasing the ADV module refundable? No, not the last time I checked.

So if I’m buying it, I’d want to be hedging with a reasonable degree of certainty that what I’m buying will perform as claimed, if requirements and installation procedures are met and followed.

Thus far, I’m seeing a fair number of folks who, notwithstanding meeting requirements and following procedures, are getting questionable results.

So since I’m bearing that risk, not Milviz, I’ll educate myself as to that risk how and where I choose. And incidentally, given the yet unresolved issues I have with this model in FSX, it’d be naive to expect I’ll extend that risk even further, without the counsel of trusted peers in a community I’ve been a part of for a decade and half.

Thanks.

DL
 
For me as well, but I still have it in my aircraft "library" in P3DV4.5. I hold out hope that maybe someday Milviz can do something to improve the simplicity of the FD, as it was previously, prior to the ADV model. I understand realism and all, but..... NC
 
You are quite correct, I did misunderstand your point. Nonetheless, pre-purchase support is available in the general aircraft specific forums directly from the personnel involved in the project. :encouragement:
 
So after some research, start out with -.5 units of trim or more. And, isolate the #7 aft fuselage tank by turning OFF the transfer valve. This helps to reduce the aft CG with only tanks or in slick config. The jet was much easier to control and responded to nose down trim after takeoff.
Now, spins... I'm a dead man.
 
So I decided to give this all a try. Got the ADV module in, put in the control settings into the MVAMS tool. I found direct vs raw input did nothing. But the down-trim, full-right sensitivity with no null zone calibration settings makes the plane reasonably controllable. That's the good news.

But if I slew, for whatever reason, as in to reposition on deck, etc. - the sim crashes. Nothing has ever caused P3DV4.5 to crash - ever. Any thoughts on why? I'm about to just throw it all in the bin, but figured I'd see if the brain trust has some insight.

Thoughts?

dl
 
So no one has figured out how to make Milviz's Phantom ADV controllable? I manage to take off using the AFCS and fly well enough, but as soon as I set up the plane for landing by lowering the landing gear, the flaps extended and the nose points downwards in an unrecoverable dive.
I read of several users who like me have preferred to uninstall the product ... a pity.
 
Fulvio_61 said:
So no one has figured out how to make Milviz's Phantom ADV controllable? I manage to take off using the AFCS and fly well enough, but as soon as I set up the plane for landing by lowering the landing gear, the flaps extended and the nose points downwards in an unrecoverable dive.
I read of several users who like me have preferred to uninstall the product ... a pity.
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Just a thought, Fulvio.

Why don't you approach Milviz with your problem, and if you manage to solve it, report back here so the others can have a go at your solution?



Cheers,
Mark
 
roger-wilco-66 said:
Just a thought, Fulvio.

Why don't you approach Milviz with your problem, and if you manage to solve it, report back here so the others can have a go at your solution?
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Thanks for your reply, Mark. After reading this discussion but also elsewhere, it seems to me that others have tried what you have suggested, but without success as it is a problem that not everyone has and is perhaps therefore difficult to solve.
Unfortunately, as you have read, several users have found easier to stop using this excellent product.
 
Fulvio_61 said:
Thanks for your reply, Mark. After reading this discussion but also elsewhere, it seems to me that others have tried what you have suggested, but without success as it is a problem that not everyone has and is perhaps therefore difficult to solve.
Unfortunately, as you have read, several users have found easier to stop using this excellent product.
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Yep, I share your frustration. No traction for this problem in the support forum yet it's clearly common. I can not think of any reason why some, but apparently not all, find if unflyable.
 
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