How to run FS9 without the stock planes

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I want to get rid of all of the default FS2004 aircraft and just use addon aircraft, I have changed the default flight to a different one, and deleted all of the aircraft from the root aircraft folder (Not the important ones just the planes) when I run it it just comes up with an error message, I have now restored the default aircraft and it is working again,

Jack
 
Why do you want to delete the default planes anyway ? You will not earn ANYTHING from this manipulation. Maybe some miserable Megabytes on the harddrive, no worth the effort.
 
You can delete the 172; there's no problems at all. I've been using FS9 for 3 years w/out the default planes :)

Do these steps:

1. Load up FS9 with your default planes
2. Choose a flight, and switch to another plane
3. If you want cold and dark, switch off the battery, avionics, mixer, etc.
4. Switch to spot view
5. Now go to file, and choose save
6. Name it "Default Load" and click the check box on the bottom that says "make this the default flight"
7. Close FS9
8. Load FS9, and see if your new plane is now the default
9. Close FS9
10. Delete all default planes

*WARNINGS*

- Your new default plane should be something simple. This way it ensures that FS9's initial memory load remains clean (this is the reason for the C172 and nothing else). Thus, don't use a PMDG 737 as your default. I personally use the RealAir SF260. (I used to use Rick's Chipmunk)

- Some other planes use the sounds/gauges from these default planes. So it's a good idea to copy/paste them to a backup harddrive. Just in case. Use a FS2004 scanner to check and make sure that all your add-on planes don't require these files (especially gauges)

-The default AI file uses the default planes. If you don't use default AI, then there's no problem.

oh, and you will gain faster loading times by deleting default planes. The less planes you have (and less repaints/models variations), the quicker FS9 loads (same for the "select aircraft" menu).

-feng
 
Thats an option that I never wanted to explore, not one bit. The makers of FS9 clearly ment for those things not to be removed, alter them for gods sake, thats what repaints and Air files are for. Just leave the default planes alone, you won't improve anything by removing them.
 
I usually advice against trying to off the default planes. This kind of mod only makes for strange problems to get out, especially when a plane necessitates of a default plane's accessory (sounds, panel, etc...), but not only. As Daube said, in the end, deleting the default planes is an effort that, even if completely successful (and it almost never is such), gives little to no advantages, beside some sparse Mb more on the HD and perhaps a small (but so small to be all in all negligible) decrement of initial loading times for the sim.
 
I agree with them not being worth removing, especially as many of them are used as AI.

What I have done though is remove the vintage stuff from FS9 and the new stuff from Golden wings, no problems here bar a sound alias or such, but easily fixed.
 
Only left in until I have all the planes I want - then with a bit of elbow grease, it is easy to remove dependencies and such like... Personally, the only defaults I want are the Curtiss Jenny, Ford Trimotor, and de Havilland Comet - with nice planes as the MAAM-SIM Dakota, the Carenado C-172, and Bill Lyons Cub, there really is no reason to keep them!
Using Air-Ed to change them to AI-only planes was the very first thing I did when I reinstalled FS9 after reformatting my HD this last week...

Perhaps my approach to simming is different than many others are... when I started simming just about 6 years ago, I had a tiny Windows 98 machine. It had only 7 Gbs of HD space TOTAL! (which meant I only had about 3 Gbs to play around in with the OS and all the other programs I couldn't delete since they weren't mine...) It had 128 Mbs RAM and an integrated sound and video card. And I had the gall to attempt to run FS2002 Pro on it! I learned quickly that a lean install was a fast install! SO, for me a few measly megabytes is worth it, so much so that even though I now have a luxurious 360 Gbs of space, I still comb each and every folder in my FS install to weed out any and all unused files!
 
guys, this is not some type of mod. Default planes are just like the add-on planes. Flight Sim treats them exactly the same. There's ZERO harm by deleting them.

I have an extremely stable install of FS9 w/out the default planes and have never had a problem w/ ANY addon planes for the past 3 years...including complex stuff such as the ATR-500. You can actually delete a bunch of other "default" stuff as well w/out problems, but i wont go into that here.

Once you understand how FS works, this stuff is not dangerous at all. Default planes are not hardcoded into FS.

Actually, the cleaner FS9 is, the more stable it will run. Removing default planes will not only make FS9 load faster, but it'll make it run super stable.

In the 3 years i've ran FS9 (and i usually fly for about 30min-1hr every night), i've had only 2 CTDs, and both caused by Scenery (FlightZone Portland). I've even left fs9 running for 24+ hrs w/out problems (forgot to turn it off on a friday night...and didn't come home till sunday...plane still sitting there at the gate....no memory leaks, no slow-downs, etc).

ps. Use the tool ACA2005 Light and scan your FS9 install. It should come back with ZERO problems on a clean/efficient install. You can also use the Scan Aircraft tool inside Flightsim Manager and look for problems. Basically, both tools should report back normal.

-feng
 
Note that some airplanes use default gauges. Like Feng said, copy your gauge CAB files to your main Gauge folder in FS to ensure those will work. But you may not even have to do that. Try it without them first and if you get missing gauges in your fave addon planes, then you know you will need one or two of the default CAB files..


Sounds like one awesome system Feng!




Bill
 
Slightly O/T but I have been looking for the Gauges for the Boeing 777 in FS9 and I can't find a CAB file for it in my Gauges folder. My 777 loads up OK but I can't find where it is getting its gauges from. Please can someone advise me ?
 
Slightly O/T but I have been looking for the Gauges for the Boeing 777 in FS9 and I can't find a CAB file for it in my Gauges folder. My 777 loads up OK but I can't find where it is getting its gauges from. Please can someone advise me ?

Check the panel folder inside the main 777 aircraft folder, gauges can reside in either location.
 
Slightly O/T but I have been looking for the Gauges for the Boeing 777 in FS9 and I can't find a CAB file for it in my Gauges folder. My 777 loads up OK but I can't find where it is getting its gauges from. Please can someone advise me ?

Many of the default a/c use compiled C gauges. These have a .gau extension.
 
I want to get rid of all of the default FS2004 aircraft and just use addon aircraft, I have changed the default flight to a different one, and deleted all of the aircraft from the root aircraft folder (Not the important ones just the planes) when I run it it just comes up with an error message, I have now restored the default aircraft and it is working again,

Jack

If your goal is to simplify the selection menu, instead of removing the aircraft, simply comment out the ui_ entries from the aircraft.cfg file. Then they won't show up on the menu, but will be left intact for any other a/c that aliases to them.

Simply open the aircraft.cfg file and insert two slashes in front, like this from the C172's file:

Code:
//ui_manufacturer=Cessna
//ui_type="C172SP Skyhawk"
//ui_variation="White with blue and gray"
 
OK guys its sorted, The reason I'm deleting the default planes is because I'm making a vietnam install,

Jack
 
OK guys its sorted, The reason I'm deleting the default planes is because I'm making a vietnam install,

Jack

Saw your requests for SEA scenery and aircraft elsewhere here. Might be interesting to know what works with what without causing conflicts or overlaps. If you're making some huge all-in-one package to upload somewhere be sure you have permissions from all involved.
:ernae:
 
I have removed all but the 172 without a problem. If a plane, like the kodiak, uses sound or whatever from a default it's easy to copy those files over. I keep a complete "default" in my backups.
 
Why do you want to delete the default planes anyway ? You will not earn ANYTHING from this manipulation. Maybe some miserable Megabytes on the harddrive, no worth the effort.

Thats an option that I never wanted to explore, not one bit. The makers of FS9 clearly ment for those things not to be removed, alter them for gods sake, thats what repaints and Air files are for. Just leave the default planes alone, you won't improve anything by removing them.

Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. Unless you specifically like the default planes - and the only ones with decent quality would be the Cessnas, Trimotors, DC-3, and the other historical aircraft, I would argue there is no point in keeping them. Certainly from an AI aircraft point of view, there's every reason to replace them.

There are tons of AI-specific planes that will give you AI environments from the late 40's through to the present. Combining the packages from Retroai.org and calclassics.com, you can completely replace the stock aircraft with appropriate ones from the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's. Combine the excellent work from developers like HTAI, Aardvark AI, and others, you can have amazing AI coverage that is realistic, and most importantly easy on your system. In contrast to default planes, these aircraft are designed from the ground up as AI - multiple LOD (levels of detail) ensure only as much of the planes as is needed for viewing. Just go search on flightsim and you'll see literally thousands of repaints that are for AI planes from the packages I've mentioned (especially the tubeliners).

I kept the default Cessna, thinking it was necessary (now, I know better - thanks Feng!) - but other than that, the default planes have been gone for over 7 years. I have two FS installs - an MS1950, and an MS1970. Here's what I did for each - two simple steps (probably took 10 or so hours to do properly totally, and small tweaks along the way).

1) MS1950. First, I deleted all planes except for the C172. I assembled a series of 1950-era planes (+/- a few years) from CalClassics, and from Golden Wings. Using Ttools, opened the default traffic.bgl folder. In the aircraft.txt file, I mapped to appropriate planes. For example, I replaced the Cessnas with 50's era Wacos and and such from Golden wings; Dash-8s with Calclassic DC-3 (yes, I even tossed out the default DC-3 and replaced it with a proper AI DC-3 that has literally dozens of repaints), long range 747 types with Calclassic Constellations, Stratocruisers, etc.

That replaces the stock traffic, but then adding airline-specific traffic files (from retro ai), I could literally fill the sky with realistic routes, again using the medium and larger airliners. The beauty is that by now, all manner of 50's planes have been done, from C-46s to cover Asian and Latin American airlines, to Illushins for the Eastern Bloc. Easy, and free. Military is a whole other matter, but there is still enough out there to again fill in the gaps on a region/base basis.

2. MS1970. Same two steps as above, only I've changed some plane associations in the default trafffic aircraft file to appropriate planes. So, Dash-8s become F-27 (literally dozens of those), default late period 737 becomes Aardvark 737-200, MD-80 becomes AI Caravelles and early Aardvark DC-9s, 777s and 747's become the lovely AI DC-8s, 707s, and Convair 880s, 890's etc. Next, same deal with retroai airlines - every major imaginable and colourful airline from the 1970's period around the world is available, so now not only do I have GA and random airline traffic, but also dedicated traffic routes all around the earth.

The same is true for current airlines and aircraft - tons of AI routes and repaints of dedicated AI planes.

As I mentioned, this is free, and takes a few hours to do. Even if you don't want to do the second step (adding all the dedicated accurate flight routes (which takes very little time), spending the time to change the default aircraft plane list will radically improve the feel of your sim to whatever period you like. The only drawback is that the Orbit 747 may now be a Pan Am 707, or Air Canada Airbus A340, or what have you. Yeah, if you're in an airport in Johannesburg, seeing one of these might seem strange - but it's a whole lot more realistic than seeing those awful default Orbit B777 and MD80 and such. Bear in mind, FS allows you to toggle your GA and/or airline AI - so you can work around that feature in this manner also.

Yeah, it's absolutely worth it.

dl
 
OK guys its sorted, The reason I'm deleting the default planes is because I'm making a vietnam install,


Jack

Once you get the default plane issue sorted out, I think you should consider installing Silver Wings. This, in combination with the aforementioned Retroai from the 60's and 70's - has you written all over it. 60's period autogen, reduced urban sprawl ... if you're "in the 60's" as it were, then this is for you.

Regards,

dl
 
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