In your opinion SimWorks Studios F-4 or Milviz F-4 ?

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Hamilton01

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Dear friends,

I didn´t see any review about SimWorks Studios F-4B/N Phantom II ,I´ve just read the thread here but almost 99.8% posts were about Beta phase, so in your opinion, the best choice of a good (realistic) F-4 would be Milviz F-4 or SimWorks?

I thank you in advance,

Hamilton
 
It is really personal preference. I prefer the B model from Simworks myself, but others that I fly with prefer the E model from Milviz. It is really an "Apples and Oranges" kind of deal as the B and E models of the Phantom were completely different aircraft in systems, interiors, and uses.
 
I have both...
In my humble opinion.. Sim Works..
Why? Because the Milviz J/S isn't Tack Pack capable.. and be honest.. I've had a load of crashes with the current Milviz build..(and previous builds too).
 
I just checked the SimWorks YouTube demo. I already have the Milviz F-4E and F-4J. From what I see in the demo I do prefer Milviz's surface texturing with all the surface irregularities in the skin and I think their VC looks better. It also sounds great! (It is also now TacPac enabled for those who want it.) That said, I'll probably still pick up the SimWorks simply because it is an early model with the skinny wing and short nozzles of the early J-79 engines! (They are the versions which produced the loudest J-79 "howl"! Hopefully included in the soundset!) I haven't seen or gotten anything from SimWorks as I haven't heard of them, but now I'm off to look into their offerings (and probably pick up the B)!
 
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Josh Patterson said:
I just checked the SimWorks YouTube demo. I already have the Milviz F-4E and F-4J. From what I see in the demo I do prefer Milviz's surface texturing with all the surface irregularities in the skin and I think their VC looks better. It also sounds great! (It is also now TacPac enabled for those who want it.) That said, I'll probably still pick up the SimWorks simply because it is an early model with the skinny wing and short nozzles of the early J-79 engines! (They are the versions which produced the loudest J-79 "howl"! Hopefully included in the soundset!) I haven't seen or gotten anything from SimWorks as I haven't heard of them, but now I'm off to look into their offerings (and probably pick up the B)!
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Sir, it is my opinion the old Cloud 9 Phantom rebuilt on this site is better, for one reason it looks real , and fly's the best. That is my opinion , I'm old but was close to the real Phantom when they ruled the sky. Thanks to the members here the Cloud 9 Phantom fly's on! Lee
 
Lee Mumbower said:
Sir, it is my opinion the old Cloud 9 Phantom rebuilt on this site is better, for one reason it looks real , and fly's the best. That is my opinion , I'm old but was close to the real Phantom when they ruled the sky. Thanks to the members here the Cloud 9 Phantom fly's on! Lee
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Pardon Sir,I didn´t understand,what did you mean by "the old Cloud 9 Phantom rebuilt on this site"? As far I know the Cloud 9 Phantom is FS9 only... Sorry,I´m old too :) maybe I missed something...

Regards,

Hamilton
 
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Sir, some time back the Cloud 9 Phantom was made over to work perfect in FSX by the good people on this site,. It is my opinion you cannot buy a better looking or flying Phantom then what the folks on this site made, It doesn't get any better than this. I have 164 different Cloud 9 versions in my F4 Phantom file thanks to my great friend's help. Phantom's never die, they just fade away, Thanks again to all on this great site who made this old man's life a lot better. Lee
 
Lee Mumbower said:
Sir, some time back the Cloud 9 Phantom was made over to work perfect in FSX by the good people on this site,. It is my opinion you cannot buy a better looking or flying Phantom then what the folks on this site made, It doesn't get any better than this. I have 164 different Cloud 9 versions in my F4 Phantom file thanks to my great friend's help. Phantom's never die, they just fade away, Thanks again to all on this great site who made this old man's life a lot better. Lee
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It's true, I love that version of Phantom too!!!!
 
Lee Mumbower said:
Sir, it is my opinion the old Cloud 9 Phantom rebuilt on this site is better, for one reason it looks real , and fly's the best. That is my opinion , I'm old but was close to the real Phantom when they ruled the sky. Thanks to the members here the Cloud 9 Phantom fly's on! Lee
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I wish I could sample the Cloud 9 Phantom to see for myself, but unfortunately they're gone. I would've liked to have their G.91 as well. I looks like SSW is getting one together though, so hopefully soon on the FIAT. How to I find the Cloud 9 Phantom here? (I'm only on FSX BTW, although I've found a fair number of FS9 title still work fine in FSX.)
 
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I also have the Lago/Cloud 9 G91Gina, it is another great plane. It come out with a funny looking pilot but latter on pilot was changed to look real, I don't know when or how that happened. I have 51 different textures for the G91's all look real and fly perfect. I also added guns with sound .If you have the Cloud 9Phantom the Cloud 9 Gina and the great Section 8 Sabre of which I have 129 different textures , thanks to the help of my great friend, you can stay up all night and fly fly fly and forget your a old man. Lee
 
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I forgot to tell you I was told by SSW they hoped to have there G91 Gina out by Sep. I know there Gina will be great! They do good work. I hope I make it to Sep. to see it, as you know time is not a friend of a old man. Lee
 
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I have the Milviz Phantom, I think it flies like a log on my Windows 8, compared to the Cloud 9. That may be because I'm on Windows 8, and it is not supported on windows 8. I passed on the Simworks because of Tac Pac., I also have several different rebuilds of the Virtavia F4 with a lot of textures, all the Virtavia are reworked to fly perfect in FSX Love the Phantom . Lee
 
Lee Mumbower said:
I have the Milviz Phantom, I think it flies like a log on my Windows 8, compared to the Cloud 9. That may be because I'm on Windows 8, and it is not supported on windows 8. I passed on the Simworks because of Tac Pac., I also have several different rebuilds of the Virtavia F4 with a lot of textures, all the Virtavia are reworked to fly perfect in FSX Love the Phantom . Lee
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Ok , thanks!
 
I have both the latest version of the Simworks F-4B/N and the Milviz F4-J/S. Both are really good add-ons but have different goals or focus.

The SimWorks is more a "traditional" FSX aircraft add-on with very good weapons simulation, including TacPack and a strong focus on modeling the cockpit of the F-4B.

The Milviz is an F4-J/S and has more "technology" in the flight modeling, animations and system simulation. However, it is not at this time TacPack enabled and the weapons systems are not simulated to a great degree.

Modeling/textures is some better on the Milviz and the flight model is as close to the real world manuals as I have ever tested. The SimWorks is better on FPS and has a better selection of re-paints.

If you want to simulate an F-4B/N with good weapons then the SimWorks is your bet. If you want the most accurate flight model of F4-J/S and not worried about TacPack right now, then go with the Milviz. Note that the Phantom was a handful to fly at slow speeds and the Milviz models this very accurately.

Regards the Cloud9 model, I have it too. It is a beautiful model but the flight dynamics are not very realistic handling.

Finally there is a 4th option for you and that is the Milviz F4-E, the U.S. Air Force version of the Phantom. It is TacPack enabled too.

Hope this helps.
 
I have both. But after experiencing continual problems just installing the latest Milviz Phantom update. Won't start. Crashes FSX SE. Just one frustrating problem after another. Am about to the point of uninstalling and giving up. :banghead: NC
 
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