Is there any interest...

crossram

crossram

Charter Member
...in more flak?

Or at least more choices in the german flak end of the deal.
I'm building a set of flak facilities, using (mostly) all new models, in an attempt to get more accurate (looking) flak batteries into CFS3. Of course, saying 'flak' means only the german guns.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to over-ride what else has been done regarding flak, by way of the ETO guys, or anyone else. To be honest, I have no idea on any flak improvements in the ETO expansion, since I don't have it loaded.
I don't have the hard drive space! Hopefully, soon enough I'll have a bigger HD per one of my sons. But, that's neither here or there.

Back to the guns...
These facility files are designed after official discriptions of the basic, and various, flak batteries the germans used, that include a single, a duel, four gun, and six gun variations. All patterned after known designs.
With it all, is a 'new' 88mm Flak18, that actually fires right, with a earthen dug-in type G-stand. A L-stand used for (Rafael's) 20mm Flak38, which is also the same that was usually used on german airfields for anti-aircraft.
Also tossing in a new Sd.Kfz 7 semi-tracked truck, that were used to tow the 88s around.

I mainly wanted these files to use along with Keroman, that I'm trying to build up. Reportedly, in the Keroman area alone, there were 800 flak gun sites! Of course, I won't write that many in...lol.

Anyway, to shorten this up, here's a look at the mentioned models...
 
:kilroy:Crossram, ETO flak is much more "player-friendly". Not as lethal as stock CFS3 flak. In other words, more survivable. It also looks a whole lot better.

HA flak now also fires ranging flak bursts, with green or off-white (grey) smoke bursts.

The lighter AA weapons also fire "golf-ball" tracers in colors other than yellow.

All this also increases the immersion factor considerably.

O-1 Driver can tell you much about it all, as he is the man behind the ETO flak.

Speaking for myself and the CFS3 & ETO communities at large, I think your new German flak guns would be most welcome.

I also certainly hope that you can get the necessary HD space so you can load up ETO. I think you will be surprised.:d
 
Yes, understand, grizzly. I'm sure there's quite alot of parts and pieces in the expansion I'd like to get my hands on.

As far as the flak stuff goes, for anyone halfway knowing what their doing, just about anything in the xdp can be changed. Just editing the gun and weapon entries would give you the newer effects you want.

But, I had a problem with how the stock 88mm worked. Just wasn't right. So I made my own, and so far it acts right. All new files, down to the weapon used. And I wanted the whole mess to look more correct.

The germans were heavy into the use of flak guns, with many different types of set-ups. These files are just for the more common.

At any rate, just more options. Sure not trying to step on any toes, or hurt anyone's feelings.
 
love the new models!
anything to replace the stock low poly stuff is of interest to me.
they really look great!
 
crossram said:
Yes, understand, grizzly. I'm sure there's quite alot of parts and pieces in the expansion I'd like to get my hands on.

As far as the flak stuff goes, for anyone halfway knowing what their doing, just about anything in the xdp can be changed. Just editing the gun and weapon entries would give you the newer effects you want.

But, I had a problem with how the stock 88mm worked. Just wasn't right. So I made my own, and so far it acts right. All new files, down to the weapon used. And I wanted the whole mess to look more correct.

The germans were heavy into the use of flak guns, with many different types of set-ups. These files are just for the more common.

At any rate, just more options. Sure not trying to step on any toes, or hurt anyone's feelings.
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:kilroy:Crossman, dear fellow, you greatly misunterstand me. I think your new models are excellent and would be a great addition to CFS3 and ETO. They do look much better than the stock ones. I, for one, would dearly love to see more.

I assure you, sir, you have tread on no toes here. I say again, these new models of yours would be most welcome indeed.:d
 
grizzly50 said:
:kilroy:Crossman, dear fellow, you greatly misunterstand me. I think your new models are excellent and would be a great addition to CFS3 and ETO. They do look much better than the stock ones. I, for one, would dearly love to see more.

I assure you, sir, you have tread on no toes here. I say again, these new models of yours would be most welcome indeed.:d
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griz and O-1 Driver...

No probs. Just saying I have no idea what is in the expansion, as far as the flak stuff, and simply trying to add to it. What's in ETO might be better than what I've made...can't say.
Yeah, I have a few parts and pieces in the ETO stuff. Bassingbourne and the Berlin towers. But, I've been a little out of touch in things. I'll check in the ETO forum, and get re-newed. Thanks for the link, Driver.
 
Keep em' coming Crossram! New targets, er, models that inhance the cfs3 experience are always welcome. By the way, Nice work!:mixedsmi:
 
Thanks for all the comments, guys! All much appreciated.

Attempting to work up accurate batteries, with much of the usually used equipment. As I said before, the germans put alot of use in their flak guns, with many, many different variations of deploying them. These are simply an option. As usual, to the ETO guys also, if they have any interest in any of it. (Heck, I'm kinda one of 'em anyway)
 
Ted

ETO draws together the best stuff created for CFS3 so of course you are 'kinda one of 'em'.

If you would like to do the same for British AA, I have Colin Dobinson's book 'AA Command' which has detailed drawings of the HAA and LAA revetments and plans of typical sites. Due to my inability to use Gmax I made the HAA sites in ETO using the stock revetment and these could certainly benefit from a little attention.

One thing that the book highlights was that the majority of both 40mm and 3.7" guns were static mounted due to the complexity of the wheeled mountings. This made them less rapidly mobile then the high command wanted but allowed more guns to be deployed although even then the number never matched the perceived requirement. This lead to construction of many more HAA sites than there were guns to fill with the latter being moved to meet the current threat.

If these facilities were updated the book gives full listings of many more sites than are currently in ETO which currently only reflects that of the BoB period.

This same author has a book on the Chain Home Radar network on the stocks but the publication date keeps getting pushed back.

Happy Christmas to you and all fellow simmers.
 
flashgordon said:
If you would like to do the same for British AA, I have Colin Dobinson's book 'AA Command' which has detailed drawings of the HAA and LAA revetments and plans of typical sites. Due to my inability to use Gmax I made the HAA sites in ETO using the stock revetment and these could certainly benefit from a little attention.
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Hello, Gordon...

Lol! I promise you...if 'I' can do gmax, anybody can.

Sure, I can take a look at the British stuff. Trying to work in a little separation on some of this stuff. (Hehe, I tossed my copies of a_ and b_flaktower long time ago.)

HAA and LAA would be perfect to separate British from German. I'm buried neck-deep now, so a bit more is no dif.

btw...the german's too had static mounted guns, several different ways, several different calibers. (I'm gonna live how long??)

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crossram said:
... As usual, to the ETO guys also, if they have any interest in any of it. (Heck, I'm kinda one of 'em anyway)
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You ARE, as far as I am concerned!!

Those models are absolutely fantastic!! Exactly what I had in mind for my airfields - more attention to AA detail. I did some work on a better looking static 40mm Bofors to replace that awful looking chunk of polys that came with CFS3 but never finished the model. I 'm still considering whether it would be fun to do it as a playable model. But considering your work and both your and Gordon's comments above, it might be better to see if you can do more useful things with it than I. It might save you some work...
 
Very appreciated, guys!

I'll be the first one to admit, I kinda move in my own direction, and sort of a hard case. But, through all the years I've messed with this stuff, and all the great freely given addons, I slowly try to pay back in return.

Heh, methinks it's way past my Xmax Jack time (like any other time), and get down to business.

Yes, Frosty, the 'one size fits all' that MS gave us doesn't cut it. Kinda nice of 'em to give us a 'few' tools to do something about it.

Heck...all I gotta do is get some of you flyboys back on the ground, and spend more time with your nose shoved into gmax! Like me. Roger that??

Only thing I don't like is..I'm too damn hard to please.

Good Holidays, ALL!
 
yes and a single flak 20mm also.

The Sd.Kfz 7 half track will be greatly appreciated, this usual german truck is really missing in CFS3 ETO world.


I know there is still a lot of work to do but when your Keroman sub base will be finished and Nacht' Sunderland will be released, I'll be the happiest simmer in the world! :jump:

Lancaster, Kermoman, Ju88C6, Sunderland, Catalina, CC Hallifax, Ju290, Fw200.... I cant' ask for more!! :running::icon_lol:
 
The flakship, the models shown in this post, to build-up the flak batteries all are for Keroman. If nothing else, I might lighten my load on Keroman, and not put ALL the detailing I wanted to first put into it. Need to keep things within reason, and playable. Keroman will have it's own flak field, if I have my way. Like to have a reasonable idea 'what it was like'.

But, the plus side of things is, most of what I'm doing can also be used in other places. and ways. The 88's G-stand is one example, for it's design, just about any of the big guns can be set into it. It's only one stand, but more options to work with.

Yeah on the newer flak guns. Got 'em, just need to check them out. Glad to see them come.
 
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