Love and Hate with the Iris C-27J

Christoph_T

Christoph_T

SOH-CM-2016
Hi all
Happy to make my seccond post hear on the SOH:wavey:.
First of all let me say, that I am very impressed by the work you all are doeing, day in day out.

Come to the point:

I'd like to share your thoughts on a repaint of me. I am not very skilled but I have given it a try.
Always thought, that there has to be a suisse C-27 in my Sim-World:

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Since a year I am a (proud) user of theC-27J from Irissimulations.

But I am sorry to say, that I have my problems with this little Albert:
When I try to start the aircraft manuel, its all ok, until engine 1 runs up.
After that the switches do what they want. Engine to and most other subsystems run up
themselves.
Furthermore the feather-mode switches go back to normal, with the result, that the plane jumps forward
This makes me very disappointed, since thier is no real support, by the Iris-guys.
Maybe you have an idea whats wrong hear.

Greetings Chrsitoph
 
The C27 is an amazing modeling job with some coding problems. I think it got out of control and the coder got lost. I will admit that there are some very interesting concepts in the code. All the code is in XML, so in theory, anyone who wanted to could go back into the code and fix it. I have fixed some of the things that bothered me at the time but simply got bored dealing with it and moved on to newer stuff. Iris released a patch to the original release that made things even worse. One of the moderators here, released an updated FDE which fixes some of what you are mentioning but the auto switching thing I believe is a feature not a bug. You may want to search on C27J on this forum and find the multitude of discussions that took place when the plane was first released. Many people corrected things and you may find fixes for some of your problems including the lurching forward thing. I don't think you want the feather switches in feather to start.

Dave
 
Back from searching for the Hotfix.
Badly I have allready got the Fix. (Version1.2-2.1).
But I didn't get rid of it.

Maybe I have to get on with the easy Autostart mode.

Thanks anyway
 
F4-F.
I wasnt able to correct any of the coding as i dont know anything about XMl, but i created the original FDE as well as the mostly fixed update. I say mostly fixed because some of the gauges work on the flight model, changing some characteristics.. I did my best but couldnt do anything about that.. Download this update ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63691108/IRIS C-27J_FDE-2-1B.zip ) and after backing up your original files, drop it in.. it should help with some things, but if you experience any difficulties with it, please let me know so i can work them out with you..
Pam

PS.. yeahh, I always use easy start.. lifes to short to spend clicking a mouse ;) ..
 
Hallo warchild

glad for your response!!
For next, I am up for some testing.
Will let you know, how it works.

Greetings

Christoph
 
Stil have the same problems.
Made two test.
One with, and one without co-pilot.(Don't know if its important)

I have done following steps:

1. Parking Brake
2. Clicking on the paper: Cold and Dark
3. Turning on the battery
4. Sart APU
Meanwhile:
5. Switch Propeller CTRL up (both)
6. Engine Blled on (Engine 1,2 and APU)
7. Fuelpumps on. Valvs on flow.
8. APU is running know
9. Excess for Electricity from the APU to the system.
10. Ready for engine start.
11. Start engine.
12. Engine runs up.

!!!

13. After Engine 1 Start Switch turns back:
- Engine 2 runs up fast
- Propeller CTRL -Switches clip down
- All other subsystems turn on(like Strg+E)
14. Course of the fact that Engine 2 turns up itself, Propeller CTRL turns down
and the RPM of the Engines a very high, the plane jumos forward.
Only to handle this, is to turn Propeller CTRL back to upper position quickley.

Hope you could follow my explenation
Befor I forget, I tried with and without Autofeather. (Should make no point)

Oh my god, its half past 12 hear.

One last try for today
 
theres a reason i dont do the long start up in the spartan. you just described most of it..
my recommendation is after starting the apu, hold ctrl-f2 to move the props into a near flat position, then start the engine. a lot of what your describing is strictly gauge related, and i dont have any way of helping with that, beyond recommending the prop pitch change before starting the engines. Having them turned flat with little thrust should help you to keep from lurching forward.. once running, you can use ctrl-f3 to change the pitch for taxi and takeoff..
 
Hugely disappointing model due to the dropped support for it, first releases might not be perfect, but conflicting editing between flight models, modelling and gauge coding followed by complete withdrawal by Iris for a not inexpensive model has just broken the camels back with me.

If anything, all that code should be stripped out, simple gauges to drive necessary displays where needed and honest flight modelling may result in a not all singing and dancing simulation, but at least it could be flown for fun, as it is, it's zapped from my hard drive along with the possibility of future Iris products.
 
i tend to agree with you. the story behind the c-27 is quite regrettable, and i fear this is not the place to discuss it, but yes, it was disappointing. to date, i have distributed over 159 flight model updates, so some people do enjoy it. however, if i had my druthers, all the complex coding and gauges would be gone so we could make just an honest aircraft that flew right.
 
Guys,

At no time have I ever stated that we've dropped support for the product. We always have and will continue to support our entire product range. As a matter of fact, I have stated a few times recently that once the PC-21 is finished, I am going to retrofit a lot of the new coding techniques and the new look gauges into the C-27J to improve the experience. We will also be fitting in a new FDE based on new techniques learned on the PC-21. We are hoping this will be the last MAJOR update to the C-27J and it will address any outstanding issues customers may have with the product.

David.
 
Smudge said:
Guys,

At no time have I ever stated that we've dropped support for the product. We always have and will continue to support our entire product range. As a matter of fact, I have stated a few times recently that once the PC-21 is finished, I am going to retrofit a lot of the new coding techniques and the new look gauges into the C-27J to improve the experience. We will also be fitting in a new FDE based on new techniques learned on the PC-21. We are hoping this will be the last MAJOR update to the C-27J and it will address any outstanding issues customers may have with the product.

David.
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Sounds good to me. I have stuck with the Iris C27J since it was offered from the Iris Teaser Stage. Look forward to seeing what Iris coding has accomplished and transfers to the C27J. Just a little req Dave can I get please a AWAC version with a dome please:salute:
 
Yes, an AWAC version with a radome will be fitted. Whilst the current one is probably more realistic in terms of what would be fitted to one, many people including myself just like the look of a rotating radome. :)
 
Smudge said:
Yes, an AWAC version with a radome will be fitted. Whilst the current one is probably more realistic in terms of what would be fitted to one, many people including myself just like the look of a rotating radome. :)
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Dave,

Thanks for addressing this particular model. I too would love to see this one fixed and am excited about your upcoming release of the PC-21. It looks simply superb!
 
Smudge said:
Guys,

As a matter of fact, I have stated a few times recently that once the PC-21 is finished, I am going to retrofit a lot of the new coding techniques and the new look gauges into the C-27J to improve the experience.

David.
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It's possible you have stated that on the Facebook page but few here use facebook and you no longer have a forum so we never heard that. Right or wrong, us old fogeys that don't use facebook, have not heard much from Iris for quite a while. I own most of your stuff, even paid for almost all the FSX stuff that is now free so I am looking forward to updates for the current products.

Dave
 
David, I am hopeful again after hearing you plan to update the Spartan. She's pretty and fits a number of missions I like to fly, but in the end the flight dynamics were just wrong, and the gauges too cartoon-like, so she was consigned to the desert. I bought the product on sale so would not object to paying a modest upgrade fee, though I understand why the full-price folks would.
 
Smudge said:
Yes, an AWAC version with a radome will be fitted. Whilst the current one is probably more realistic in terms of what would be fitted to one, many people including myself just like the look of a rotating radome. :)
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all of what this guy said pleases me

thanks Smudge - I am a fan of the C27J and all my other IRIS gear

carry on
 
Smudge said:
Guys,

At no time have I ever stated that we've dropped support for the product. We always have and will continue to support our entire product range. As a matter of fact, I have stated a few times recently that once the PC-21 is finished, I am going to retrofit a lot of the new coding techniques and the new look gauges into the C-27J to improve the experience. We will also be fitting in a new FDE based on new techniques learned on the PC-21. We are hoping this will be the last MAJOR update to the C-27J and it will address any outstanding issues customers may have with the product.

David.
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ive heard that before nearly 18mths ago, not to mention the several pages of the c27 support forum of issues that went un answered on your old forums for support requests, personally i feel that if your not going to provide patches to fix the product within the first few months, refunds should be an option for us who have been waiting for a fully functional product with support as described by the Victorian Consumer Affairs Commission

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waiting greater than 18mths for the so called "final fix" is beyond unsat, its not that its a little fix, its going to be a major one as just about every owner has posted across the net and has mentioned its plagued with problems and theyre not happy about the support or product, and voted one of the most regrettable products purchased on avsim

i really feel sorry for the owners of this, F16, F15 and the Vulcan

if i bought a dvd and it stopped working 40mins into the movie, i dont think i would be happy waiting greater than 18mths for JB HIFI to give me one that works correctly! this is no different...

And if its not the same, how is it different????????
 
Sieggie said:
It's possible you have stated that on the Facebook page but few here use facebook and you no longer have a forum so we never heard that. Right or wrong, us old fogeys that don't use facebook, have not heard much from Iris for quite a while.
Dave
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For the 'old fogeys' out there who don't use Facebook because of internet social reasons which may be valid, or may not be (after all, SOH is used for social purposes, so what's the difference?), create a Facebook account and then tag the cadre of flightsim developers/supporters (there are many) and you can remain up to date and in the loop with one-stop-shopping. In fact, all you have to do is log on to Facebook, and you will immediatly see what all of them are doing and talking about. If you set it up right, the info will appear in your newsfeed, and you don't have to go from site to site hunting for info.

Sure, there will be people who tell you Facebook is a huge security risk and you will have your life savings stolen, dog kidnapped, and the title to your house snatched away from you, but the naysayers in life will always try to scare people away from things they either don't understand, or barely tried and didn't do it right.
 
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