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Man beats woman hurrendously for not dancing with him

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tigisfat said:
It's just as I thought. There weren't witnesses, just her statement. Of course she doesn't want to tell the full story of why she got beat up.
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Yeah...

Can we all agree to post links to news stories when we are talking about stuff like this from now on?
 
Ken Stallings said:
I learned a long time ago that invoking an absolute in any human enterprise is rife with error.

To my view, it makes as much sense to advoate total abandonment of the death penalty as it is to advocate total enforcement of it. All human situations have shades of meaning and context.

When you have a mass murderer like Timothy McVeigh or Osama bin Laden, don't hand me that line that the death penalty is not an appropriate sentence! If not Hideki Tojo then what if Adolph Hitler had not killed himself and been captured?

But what really bothers me is the totality of mindset which reinforces the desire for absolute rejection of the death penalty with the assuredness that all who advocate allowance under circumstances as somehow lacking in moral terpitude or judgment.

There are in this world, certain classes of criminals who are without any reasoned expectation of rehabilitation -- near complete certainty of recidivism. Combine that with crimes of dire evil, such as child rape and/or murder, and it seems clear to me that certain crimes fit criteria for certain punishments.

I would hope that a fuller consideration of the factors would yeild a far less strident conclusion. If nothing else then, at least a concession that their is room for consideration of the alternative point of view.

Ken
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Exceptionally well put Ken I agree with you 100%!

Tigsfat, having been the victim of an act of RANDOM violence and also witnesses to two other serious assults (I ended up testifying as a witness in court for one of the cases) that were completely unexplainable believe me it is entirely possible and quite PROBABLE there was no other reason for the attack in that story than the young womans refusal to dance, and women refuse to dance with guys ALL the time.

I was attacked from behind a few years ago, pushed to the ground, and received several powerful kicks to the gut, had it not been for a few "Gentlemen" (bikers who just happened to see what was happening) I very well could have been seriously hurt. The background story, the COWARD who attacked me from behind said he asked me to hold the door for him and I didn't... I had never seen this person before in my life, he had just arrived in our city that week from another provice, and although he had no idea I could not have heard him if he used a bull horn from 5 feet (I was stone deaf at the time it was 6 months before I received my Cochlear Implant), he wanted me to hold the door and I didn't so I was attacked. Thankfully his attack was cut very short, 2 bikers in full colours came to my aid, and held him while the police were called. His story - 2 previous convictions for assult time spent in jail, (he ws not responding to rehab efforts very well) and he got an ROR release, that was almost 7 years ago, he has not been seen around here since. So don't tell me there has to be more to the story, there are men (and women) who will not accept any type of rejection or refusal, and they often respond violently it happens all the time!

I am in no way saying the guy in the original story deserves capitol punishment, but like Ken put it there are cases where it is justified.

Your statement "The guy is old enough to get in clubs, he's not in jail already and he hospitalizes her over a dance? This story is flawed." does not hold water with me, how do you know if this guy has not already served time for assult, rape, or even murder, it was not in the news story to begin with, DON'T label something FLAWED without the whole story, the only purpose in that is to stur up a $h1T storm, but then again you seem to do that from time to time.
 
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She did live, so maybe he shouldnt get the firing squad.

What else should he deserve? Lets make this more positive. What would happen to this 'thing' if he lived in N. Korea? How do they treat such freaks?
 
Ummmm isn't this thread supposed to be in the Cantina (or the Q-Noon Saloon if it were open)?????
In Newshawks I hope to find normal informational/anecdotial posts..... and has the likelyhood of offending more people than just me.
 
That is an interesting point gigabyte. It shows how we rarely know what is in a person's heart. And, yes,! There are a number of people who have emotional stability problems. These people are a menace to society. In the "old" days, friends of the woman would have had a discussion with this bully behind the wood shed. End of story. That method of justice, much like Cazzie's "eye for an eye" is also frought with injustice and relies on who has the bigger stick. Modern justice is supposed to be fair, but often isn't.

Just for the record, I am against the death penalty. My reasons have nothing to do with the criminal's rights or life. Emotionally, I sometimes think the scum should die slowly and painfully. Those emotions of mine point to my reasoning. I am against the death penalty not so much because of what happens to the convicted criminal (although I do agree innocent people have been killed) but, instead what it does to us as people and a society.

In my view, killing someone makes us not much better than the murder. It lowers us, as a society, to his level. We just do it cowardly (IMO) behind the black robed justice system. That is all I will say. If anyone wants more or to argue, PM me.

tigisfat, you made a very logical argument of your views. There may or may not have been other factors? However, you also made a blanket judgmental statement against Christians. Blanket statements will 99.99999% of the time be wrong. A Christian is someone who tries to follow the teachings and life of Jesus Christ, whom they believe is the Son of God, thus God Himself. The key word here is "tries".

We all fail at being perfect. There is a seldom used word to discribe this failure to always be perfect. It is called "sin." Unfortunately, some Christians don't often act very Christian and what is worse, they see in others what they do not see in themselves. In other words, they fail to see the plank in their eye, as they point out the splinter in another's.

Still, in my experience, most Christian people do try to do what is right. The teachings of Jesus are good rules upon which to base you life. We try but we too sin.

BTW, I really don't think Jesus would have wanted to have this guy executed.

I want to complement everybody on stating views while keeping away from overt personal attacks. These types of discussion can easily collapse into rancor. In my opinion we did well here.
 
Lionheart said:
A 'nut' was offended when a beautiful young lady wouldnt dance with him at a night club. She goes to the restroom and he follows her in, where he proceeds to pound the heck out of this poor soul, absolutely mercilessly, breaking her jaw, her left eye socket, her nose, and the left side of her skull. He kept going, slamming her face into the toilet.

They got him...


Now.. Being a Christian, I am at a point where I have to say, should we let someone like that live? Should we let someone back out into society that would do this to a defenseless woman? Will it be a kid or little old lady next?

An hour later, on the same news channel, I hear people are upset about a guy they just let out of prison who killed 5 women...

My thoughts, again as a Christian, are troubled. I would think we should take someone out, like that, and shoot them. Just get them out of here. They cannot be trusted with human life. Thats my thoughts, anyways. In the old days, you stoned them and made sure they didnt get back up. Use big rocks!


No wonder I never watch the news......



Bill
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But isn't that what it's all about being a christian? Trying to stand to your believe (father forgive them because they don't know what they do) even when you are being challenged?
 
in my mind, you can judge people by their behavior. if a guy was to go to jail for stealing a car, or being a burglar, i would say that however slim, there is a chance that he may realize the error of his ways and reform.
i did. when i was a teen, i was a burglar. i broke into dozens of houses and cars in my area. i went to juvenile hall. when i got out, i vowed never to do something that would put me in jail ever again. that was 28 years ago. since then i have kept to my vow and tried to be a productive member of society.

violence is not the same thing. violent offenders do damage that can't be undone. i have yet to meet any that changed their ways. i have known many violent types. there's not one of them i would trust. those are the people i think should be locked up permanently. just my opinion.
 
It's just as I thought. There weren't witnesses, just her statement. Of course she doesn't want to tell the full story of why she got beat up.
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Seriously? So there werent witnesses so it didnt happen? Yeah just her statement, a broken eye socket,nose, possible skull fracture and unconsious for 2 or 3 hours and this you compare to the Duke incident where a drug addicted prostitute acused those boys of raping her? And what in your opinion is "the full story" and why you think she doesnt want to tell it?
Personally it wouldnt surprise me if beating women was a pass time of yours, you sound that frikkin ignorant.
 
Emil Frand said:
Seriously? So there werent witnesses so it didnt happen? Yeah just her statement, a broken eye socket,nose, possible skull fracture and unconsious for 2 or 3 hours and this you compare to the Duke incident where a drug addicted prostitute acused those boys of raping her? And what in your opinion is "the full story" and why you think she doesnt want to tell it?
Personally it wouldnt surprise me if beating women was a pass time of yours, you sound that frikkin ignorant.
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This is getting too personal, Emil Frand. We do not post character judgments of other member in this forum.
 
My gosh, you guys know how you are supposed to behave here. Can't we discuss news items without getting all bent out of shape? :salute:
 
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