Maple Flag Eurofighters or Super Hornet reapints ?

VaporZ

Charter Member
Here is a message for all repainters interested for AlphaSim Eurofighters or
VRS SuperBug with Canadian Colors.

These potential "Historical Fiction" repaints could eventually become
a reality by 2017 !

In fact, the next Fighter Competition for Canada is open.
The overcost JSF program will have now real competitors

Eurofighter bid include an unconditional transfer to Canada of the entire technology package including source codes.
An offer JSF will never be able to challenge.

I have even find a name for the Eurofighter bid : "MapleFighter"

Please read this below and thanks in advance for any future related
repaints
:jump::applause::jump:
VaporZ


Boeing, Eurofighter bid to usurp F-35 for Canadian fighter deal
By Stephen Trimble

Boeing and Eurofighter have launched a public challenge to Lockheed Martin's widely presumed control of a next-generation fighter contract in Canada.

Both challengers unveiled the outlines of a new push to respectively market the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Typhoon to Ottawa as replacements for the Canadian air force's Boeing CF-18 (F/A-18A/B) Hornets by the end of the next decade.

As a member of the nine-nation Joint Strike Fighter programme since 2002,

Lockheed executives have described Canada as a likely buyer for up to 80 F-35s, although the Department of National Defence has released a revised requirement for 65 jets.

Canada has invested $150 million to participate in the F-35's system development and demonstration phase, and has signed for a follow-on production and sustainment phase.

But despite this track record and a $9 billion stake over the life of the programme for Canadian industry, Lockheed acknowledges that the DND has not committed to buy F-35s, says Keith Knotts, business development director for Canada and the UK. Ottawa plans to begin receiving new fighters in 2017.

Lockheed believes that Canadian industry will pressure DND officials to make a decision soon to buy the JSF, as many suppliers are facing imminent decisions on making major capital investments for new tooling to support their role in the programme, Knotts says.

Boeing's sales pitch to Ottawa is also focused on economic gains. Buying new Super Hornets could generate $8 billion in economic benefit for Canadian industry over 25 years, and provide access to offset work across the whole of Boeing and the Hornet Industry Team's portfolio of contract work, says Glenn Erutti, its director of new international Super Hornet business development.

Similarly, the four-nation Eurofighter consortium has touted "job creation and sustainment", as well as the ability to transfer "full sovereignty" over the Typhoon's operational technology, says Ian Malin, head of Typhoon exports business development for BAE Systems. BAE is leading Eurofighter's marketing campaign in Canada.

DND officials have not publicly defined how the F-35's challengers will be considered in their decision-making.

Boeing officials say they expect Ottawa to decide within a year on whether to recommend a selected fighter or invite competitive bids for its next-generation fighter requirement.

A final decision is needed by no later than 2014 to meet Canada's 2017 in-service deadline.
 
Sounds great, hope they do not choose the JSF, its a big issue over here in the Netherlands
 
The big problem is that the CAF squadrons that will operate the 'whatever-it-is' already have Hornets. The path from the FA-18A/B to the FA-18E/F is not a long one.
The Typhoon is dramatically different.

Dave
 
We can only dream..! Due to the size of our country, Canada requires a 'two-burner' aircraft and not a 'single-torch-type'. The 'stick-and-rudder' people know what is required, what would be best for the desired role but it's not their call. As always they will be asked for input ..most likely their recommendations will be generally ignored.. in favour of what is called "political practicality!' So...
of the three types mentioned....my call is that the 'Super Hornet' will win the day and mainly for the reasons mentioned above by dhazelgrove. But you repainters can slap some CDN markings on any 3 of them and I'll be happy to fly them..!!!

Walt
Fly High..Punch Holes in the Sky
 
We can only dream..! Due to the size of our country, Canada requires a 'two-burner' aircraft and not a 'single-torch-type'. The 'stick-and-rudder' people know what is required, what would be best for the desired role but it's not their call. As always they will be asked for input ..most likely their recommendations will be generally ignored.. in favour of what is called "political practicality!' So...
of the three types mentioned....my call is that the 'Super Hornet' will win the day and mainly for the reasons mentioned above by dhazelgrove.

Walt
Fly High..Punch Holes in the Sky

Interesting the RAAF have gone the same route, though I have a feeling that the F/A-18F's they've ordered will replace not only the ageing F-111 fleet, but the A model Hornets too.
 
1.
On Twin Engine

Question
What will you do on a "far far north" intercept Norad mission
with a shut off F-35 engine that do not want to relight ?

Answer
A Big hole on the Northern Tundra


For this reason, everybody within our operational combat
squadrons would like to have a Typhoon, a SuperBug or
a Rafale.

A Bagotville CF-18 pilot told me a few years ago ...........

Twin engine configuration is just like condoms :

Its preferable to always have it nearby even when not needed
that not having it when needed.

2.
On procurement costs :

Canada already paid 150 Millions $ to be part of the JSF Program but this
is nothing like many other totally wrong similar decisions our Government made in the past on other matters.

This "JSF Club" fee is close to the current unit price of only ONE F-35 that is actually set at 122 Millions $ with forecast putting the final unit price tag at 188 Millions $ !!!

For this reason the Canadian F-35 needed fleet is no longer for 80 units but for 65 units.

65 F-35 at 122 millions each gave us a procurement budget totalling 7,930 Millions $.

With this same budget it is possible to buy 100 F-18E/F SuperBugs
at 78 $ Millions each and they are twin engines.

:wavey:
VaporZ
 
Right you are VaporZ.!.......F-18 SuperBee ,cause at "the end of the day...it's what you pay"
that counts. Still though it would be nice to see a 'Maple Leaf' or two on a Typhoon...
I know..just dreamin' !

Walt
Fly High..Punch Holes in the Sky
 
Despite getting the Typhoon, we're also tied into the JSF programme to the tune of billions of pounds. The money would've been much better spent on navalising the Typhoon as feasability studies have already shown that this is possible.
 
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