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'NASCAR Gets Heavy Handed With Penske'

But Ed, according to EasyEd NASCAR is pure of heart and unblemished, unlike the Formula 1 'Sewer'!!
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As usual the ruling body have gone completely feral.
Bloody Muppets!!!!
 
I think it was last year that the 48 team used body panels that were just outside of NASCAR's specifications and they received a similar penalty. In the Penske case, evidently the decision to use an illegal modification covered both teams, indicates to me that the decision came from a source higher up the chain than just the crew chief.
 
Remember last year when Brad said Penske racing was pure and stayed clear of the gray areas and Hendrick was cheating? You gotta love it, rather like a soap opera.:isadizzy:

They hammered Hornaday pretty good too. His run at the title is all but over.

And you have Mikey's people playing with trick shocks. Their not even going to argue the fine.
 
Terry said:
Remember last year when Brad said Penske racing was pure and stayed clear of the gray areas
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Brad must not have followed Penske in Can-Am and Champ/IndyCars then.....:mixedsmi:

That being said,
Apparently Roger said something of the following:

Did you read Roger Penske's interview in Car and Driver? He stated NASCAR was a more open series and more of an engineering challenge than IndyCar. He said IndyCar is basically a spec series.
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--> http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-millers-mailbag-43/

No disagreement from me here - too many rule changes have turned IndyCar into a spec series....Although good to see more than one engine manufacturer again...
 
It seems that all sports have one thing in common. The longer they exist the more rules they accumulate until they are so bogged down with BS that they become boring. :a1451:
 
Hey All,

Memo to Roger and Brad. In a Dodge you don't need to cheat.

-Ed-

A footnote: Apparently NASCAR may be a bit sympathetic to their appeal but I think it will be about the severity of the penalty not the infraction. Shoulda stayed with Dodge.
 
What happened to the vaunted Ford advantage :ques:

That being said, I think the Roush camp is in a bit of disarray without a firm leader like Penske has in Keselowski - and it shows in the first few races this season.
 
Hey All,

Other than perhaps Stewart chevy has been relatively speaking weak on the 1.5 mile tracks for a few years. Toyota and Ford are usually better. Today Kahne and Johnson managed to get their cars to the front but note the advantage shifted from car to car depending on cloud cover (does F1 worry about cloud cover versus sun?) and tire wear. I have thought that generally speaking toyota has the strongest cars but the toyota teams are not as good at getting them ready for and adjusting for track conditions at races as chevy tends to be. Ford has fallen off a bit and I think their teams in general are a bit weaker. On any given day any manufacturer can win.

With respect to leadership all I do is look back at the posts at this site where I was about the only person saying how good Brad K was/is while every body else bad-mouthed Brad sayin Carl is the man.

In my opinion the best drivers in NASCAR in no particular order are Johnson, Keselowski, Logano and Kahne although I have to put 5 time and Brad a little ahead of the others.

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Memo to Roger and Brad. In a Dodge you don't need to cheat.
-Ed-
A footnote: Apparently NASCAR may be a bit sympathetic to their appeal but I think it will be about the severity of the penalty not the infraction. Shoulda stayed with Dodge.
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Because they (Dodge) come with built in 'cheats' Ed???????
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EasyEd said:
With respect to leadership all I do is look back at the posts at this site where I was about the only person saying how good Brad K was/is while every body else bad-mouthed Brad sayin Carl is the man.

In my opinion the best drivers in NASCAR in no particular order are Johnson, Keselowski, Logano and Kahne although I have to put 5 time and Brad a little ahead of the others.

-Ed-
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The thing to remember here is that one doesn't necessarily have to like a drive to admit that he/she is fast. Case in point is that I don't like Michael Schumacher - however, I readily admit to him being one of the fastest F1 drivers in all time. And it's human nature to back those drivers that we like. That being said...

- I used to like Brad when he was around Dale Jr.....
- I've always like Kahne...
- Generally speaking, I'm agnostic towards Johnson & Logano...
Footnote: I've got to give Kudos to Gordon for bringing in Johnson and to paraphrase from a tele clip this weekend; "....knowing about Kyle Larson for a along time...."

And now back to the current champion Keselowski...

-IMHO, the jury is still out on whether or not Brad will be a champion like Johnson, Kulwicki, Labonte Brothers, Gordon......Or will Brad be champion like Stewart, Kurt Busch, Wallace...

And now back to Roush....

- Carl hasn't been the same since he lost to Stewart
- Roush seems to have difficulties with making more than one team fast (unlike Hendrick & perhaps RCR)

Then there's Kenseth...

- Although it's too early to tell, it *appears* that he's a Joe Gibbs type of driver a la' Bobby Labonte...
 
one rod not being to spec weight?....isnt that what it was?.....wow....danged cheaters......

i was one of those that touted carl back when..and i still pull for carl...but there is a problem there....i have no idea what it is...but he is just flat....but when he and brad were going at it,brad was a little pr.....nm...but ya notice that when carl didnt back down brad seemed to have learned a lesson?....im sure ill be told i was wrong...but seems i allways am..or just ignored...

and to whos the best?..they allways say theres 43 of the best...i dont think so...id say at best maybe 30-35 of them are the best of the best..and i think its true that any of those talked about above can win on any given week..cheating,pushing the rules..or not..
 
This is NASCAR, if they find one little thing, they will nail you. Personally, I can't see how having one out of eight connecting rods being slightly underweight is going to be an advantage. Having one rod underweight likely means having to add weight to the crankshaft in order to balance the rotating assembly. But, NASCAR rules are rules and shall not be violated, either intentionally or accidentally. I think this is a reflection on the number 20 team's engine shop. Bet they will start weighing all of the rods and not depend upon Toyota TRD to do it for them.
 
stansdds said:
This is NASCAR, if they find one little thing, they will nail you. Personally, I can't see how having one out of eight connecting rods being slightly underweight is going to be an advantage. Having one rod underweight likely means having to add weight to the crankshaft in order to balance the rotating assembly. But, NASCAR rules are rules and shall not be violated, either intentionally or accidentally. I think this is a reflection on the number 20 team's engine shop. Bet they will start weighing all of the rods and not depend upon Toyota TRD to do it for them.
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JGR doesn't open the bottom end. According to TRD it's shipped sealed and ready to run. The rods are made by a TRD contract vendor, which is the screw up here. It seems the TRD engine builders trusted their rod vendor by not weighing every part.

NASCAR knows all this, it does not seem right to come down so hard on JGR when NASCAR knows they had nothing to do with it. A change in policy is in order.
 
the change should be for JGR to have the engine shop take the engines down when the get them and check them...or get rid of the currant program and and go back to letting guys who know how to build race winning engines,like Allen Mispley build the race engines...

the TRD sealed engines are a stupid idea..and this proves it...they are assembled by people who work in a place who really dont care whats happening..yes this is a personal opinion,but ill bet bottom dollar im right..
 
the TRD sealed engines are a stupid idea..and this proves it...they are assembled by people who work in a place who really dont care whats happening..yes this is a personal opinion,but ill bet bottom dollar im right..[/QUOTE]


I can't argue with that. Keep everything possible in house where you can control the QC.
 
Daveroo said:
the change should be for JGR to have the engine shop take the engines down when the get them and check them...or get rid of the currant program and and go back to letting guys who know how to build race winning engines,like Allen Mispley build the race engines...

the TRD sealed engines are a stupid idea..and this proves it...they are assembled by people who work in a place who really dont care whats happening..yes this is a personal opinion,but ill bet bottom dollar im right..
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Well said! :applause:
 
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