highpockets
SOH-CM-2025
How come my A/C shoots accurately, but no damage to enemy A/C?
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- Thread starter highpockets
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The first thing I could think of is that the target plane has a .dp file with damage boxes misaligned with the 3D model. Another possibility would be that your bullets don't have enough power and the enemy plane is very sturdy so they don't cause enough damage and you don't notice any effect.
If you are flying stockers the .50 cals do not have the correct damage factor in the dp. I don't know what the MS guys were using as a gauge for their round factor, but from everything I have read, am reading, those fifties tore up enemy fighters, especially the lighter, under-armored Japanese fighters with just a short burst.
Stock fifty in the [Gunstations] = 1d1*14,
1% fifty in the [Gunstations] = 1d1*18.4
THAT 4.4 factor makes a great deal of difference on damage to the enemy aircraft.
I have adjusted ALL of my aircraft with .50 cals to the 1% standard.
To give you some idea of what MS did in the gun power factors, look at a Japanese Zero .303 with a factor of 11 as compared to a .30 cal US which MS gave 8.
Stock fifty in the [Gunstations] = 1d1*14,
1% fifty in the [Gunstations] = 1d1*18.4
THAT 4.4 factor makes a great deal of difference on damage to the enemy aircraft.
I have adjusted ALL of my aircraft with .50 cals to the 1% standard.
To give you some idea of what MS did in the gun power factors, look at a Japanese Zero .303 with a factor of 11 as compared to a .30 cal US which MS gave 8.
whitehawk_2009
Charter Member 2016
Devildog, do you have the 1% values for the various guns and cannons used in WWII handy? That tidbit about M$ values got me wondering what else could be out of whack. If not, I'll just pick and choose.
WH
WH
Whitehawk, Sorry, no I don't. I would have to go through each aircraft in the 1% files and pull them out individually.
Oglivie
Charter Member
Oglivie
Charter Member
On the other hand, look out for these damage profiles in the DP file:
;; Assembly Line Damage Calculator Version 1.82 - 6/22/02 9:40:52 PM - Bf-109E4 Emil
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,2559,-30
(you might need a flying tiger tank to shoot it down)
Maybe should be more like..
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,559,-30
;; Assembly Line Damage Calculator Version 1.82 - 6/22/02 9:40:52 PM - Bf-109E4 Emil
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,2559,-30
(you might need a flying tiger tank to shoot it down)
Maybe should be more like..
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,559,-30
tonybones2112
Charter Member
Improved tracer effects.
A little known fact I learned from a member of the USAF Museum over at WPAFB is that German cannon and Japanese cannon were quite different. The Japanese 20, 30, and 37 mm cannon were all fused instantaneously to explode on contact. The German was quite a bit deadlier, the 15, 20, and 30 mm aircraft cannon projectiles were fused with just a microsecond's delay to explode inside the aircraft. I don;t know if this is a marked difference in weapon configuration at this point.
I would wish that everyone here had a chance to tour the Museum. They have many aircraft and displays. One display is of artifacts from the Great Escape and one of my favorites is the aircraft machinegun and cannon displays. They have restored an A6M2 Zero fully now, I understand Saburo Sakai was there to inspect it. They had the rear fuselage propped up for display for years, I'm glad they got it done. They also received from the Spanish in 1966 a Spanish Me-109 with Merlin engine, a number of years ago they located a Damlier-Benz engine and cowling and now it is restored as a -G2 or G-6.
I noticed the .50s in the stock US aircraft were not doing the job on the Bettys, like you I'll readjust the files. Something is askew, as Lewis Black would say. The .50s on the P-38 just wander off into the void, the 3 little 7.9s in Thicko's Do-17 nightfighter are little meatgrinders. Any combination of 3 or more .30 cal. of any type are deadly.
Years ago I worked security in a large grocery store that had a snack bar in it. We had one of the garbage collection drivers, an old fella named Bruce came in every other night and we talked air war. He was on Guadualcanal as a rear gunner on the Army A-24, was tail gunner on a B-24 during night raids on the Philippines and ended the war as a gunner on the B-29. He stated on the high level daylight raids all the barbette mounted .50s on the B-29s he flew on were all calibrated so that fire from all the guns converged into a 12 inch circle at 300 meters. His words were that a fighter hitting this concentration was "...like hitting a brick wall..."
He told me a humorous, sort of human story Martin Caiden rarely wrote about. Seems the Navy nightfighter pilots in the Philippines had learned The Bird-Finger Salute. many of them drove George's and first-model A6M5 Zekes with no cowl guns and an upward firing 20 behind the antenna mast and two 20 mm in the wings. Painted black they were almost invisible until one was spotted rising from below, Schrage Musik blazing and the pilot flipping them the bird.
I wonder if someone could point me to some better tracer effects. I spend a lot of time in the Zero nightfighter and am having trouble finding my aiming point for Oldwheat's upward firing 20 mm. I saw some on a site; the guy who made them tried red, then yellow, and came up with a combination he liked but I can;t for the life of me remember where it was.
Good hunting kameraden
Bonesimoto
A little known fact I learned from a member of the USAF Museum over at WPAFB is that German cannon and Japanese cannon were quite different. The Japanese 20, 30, and 37 mm cannon were all fused instantaneously to explode on contact. The German was quite a bit deadlier, the 15, 20, and 30 mm aircraft cannon projectiles were fused with just a microsecond's delay to explode inside the aircraft. I don;t know if this is a marked difference in weapon configuration at this point.
I would wish that everyone here had a chance to tour the Museum. They have many aircraft and displays. One display is of artifacts from the Great Escape and one of my favorites is the aircraft machinegun and cannon displays. They have restored an A6M2 Zero fully now, I understand Saburo Sakai was there to inspect it. They had the rear fuselage propped up for display for years, I'm glad they got it done. They also received from the Spanish in 1966 a Spanish Me-109 with Merlin engine, a number of years ago they located a Damlier-Benz engine and cowling and now it is restored as a -G2 or G-6.
I noticed the .50s in the stock US aircraft were not doing the job on the Bettys, like you I'll readjust the files. Something is askew, as Lewis Black would say. The .50s on the P-38 just wander off into the void, the 3 little 7.9s in Thicko's Do-17 nightfighter are little meatgrinders. Any combination of 3 or more .30 cal. of any type are deadly.
Years ago I worked security in a large grocery store that had a snack bar in it. We had one of the garbage collection drivers, an old fella named Bruce came in every other night and we talked air war. He was on Guadualcanal as a rear gunner on the Army A-24, was tail gunner on a B-24 during night raids on the Philippines and ended the war as a gunner on the B-29. He stated on the high level daylight raids all the barbette mounted .50s on the B-29s he flew on were all calibrated so that fire from all the guns converged into a 12 inch circle at 300 meters. His words were that a fighter hitting this concentration was "...like hitting a brick wall..."
He told me a humorous, sort of human story Martin Caiden rarely wrote about. Seems the Navy nightfighter pilots in the Philippines had learned The Bird-Finger Salute. many of them drove George's and first-model A6M5 Zekes with no cowl guns and an upward firing 20 behind the antenna mast and two 20 mm in the wings. Painted black they were almost invisible until one was spotted rising from below, Schrage Musik blazing and the pilot flipping them the bird.
I wonder if someone could point me to some better tracer effects. I spend a lot of time in the Zero nightfighter and am having trouble finding my aiming point for Oldwheat's upward firing 20 mm. I saw some on a site; the guy who made them tried red, then yellow, and came up with a combination he liked but I can;t for the life of me remember where it was.
Good hunting kameraden
Bonesimoto
Oglivie
Charter Member
I hope you find the tracers, I for one do not know where they are currently. On a historical note, the U.S. and perhaps other nations used flash suppression and no tracers for their night fighters. Although I would use the tracers to zero in the guns, and perhaps for CFS2.
If you like, here is an effects install for night guns to try when you get the guns zeroed in:
tonybones2112
Charter Member
thank you, that's cool, I'll install it. Perhaps I'm doing something else not truly historical: I don't at this point fly true "night" missions, I fly at dusk for my nightfighters. I'm not yet adept at pure instrument flying, but hope to down the road. I'm experimenting with C-47s to find the different point of impacts for different planes.
Banzai!
Bones
tonybones2112
Charter Member
Thanks Fibber. I don't remember who this guy was, he had screen shots of his effects for tracers, I was gonna add him as a link and something came up and drew my attention away and I didn't. He had come out with one color, then decided he wanted another color, and then added what he said was the final one he liked best.
Thank you again.
Bones
tonybones2112
Charter Member
Guys, another thing I have noticed is that for example, I can almost stand off from a lightyear away and shoot down a plane in the A6M5 stock AC, but in several of Yashico's planes, primarily the George, I have to be right on top of the identical target plane practically to do any damage. Also, neither Yashico's nor Akemi's that I have flown show any damage. There are a great many enhancments and improvements I could contribute if I knew how to, one in particular being the historical fact that in the early South Pacific the A6M2/A6M3 Zeros had the wire antenna masts removed due to the fact that the Japanese ground crew removed the radios because of moisture sorrosion of the tube radios in use then.
Bones
Bones
Shadow Wolf 07
SOH-CM-2025
Which planes are you using?
highpockets
SOH-CM-2025
Shadow Wolf 07
I am flying a Thorson P-40B. Have not tried any other. Been trying to sort out my scenery library problems.
I will give a quick try on other A/C.
I am flying a Thorson P-40B. Have not tried any other. Been trying to sort out my scenery library problems.
I will give a quick try on other A/C.