piper soundset

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Hi guys...whats a good soundset for Bill Lyons Piper Apache? The sounds that came with it are very "scratchy" and irritating.....right now I've got it aliased to a P-38 and I'm sure that isn't any where near realistic.......mid
 
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I use the sound pack from the C172 for my Apache. I have no idea how close it is to the real thing, can't say that I have ever heard an Apache running....don't think I have ever actually seen an Apache in real life. There is a package out by Aaron Swindle that improves the sound of the stock 172 by a nice margin. I think it can be found on Flightsim.com. It is one of his free packages, and I really like that improvements (he also has a similar package for the C182 that is just as good).

OBIO
 
Thanks, Obio....so if you alias to the 172, do you have to do anything special to accomadate the two engines on the Apache?
 
While it is "better" to have a sound config file specifically set up for a twin engine application, using the stock single engine sound config file will work...and really, I have tested it both ways and really notice just a slight difference between using a single and twin engine config file.

Give me a few minutes and I will whip up a twin engine config file based on the stock C172 sound pack...that way you will have a true duel engine set up for your Apache.

OBIO

I went one better and zipped up my twin opposed four sound pack. I will upload it to the library now.

OOOPPPPSSSS! As I was uploading the pack, I remembered that I have my C172 sound pack modified with Aaron Swindles files and config file...and I can't upload his files without his permission. If someone can send me a copy of the stock C172 sound config file I will modify it for a twin engine configuration.
 
here ya go



[FLTSIM]
product_code=FSIM

[SOUND_ENGINE]
number_of_engines=1
eng1_combustion=COMBUSTION.1.00
eng1_starter=starter
eng1_combustion_start=combstart
eng1_shutdown=shutdown
eng1_prop=PROP.1.00
eng1_non_combustion=NON_COMBUSTION.1.00

[STARTER]
filename=c172_starter
viewpoint=1
link=xstarter

[XSTARTER]
filename=xc172_starter
viewpoint=2

[SHUTDOWN]
filename=c172_shutdown
viewpoint=1
link=shutdown.1

[SHUTDOWN.1]
filename=xc172_shutdown
viewpoint=2

[COMBSTART]
filename=c172_startup
viewpoint=1
link=combstart.1

[COMBSTART.1]
filename=xc172_startup
viewpoint=2

[COMBUSTION.1.00]
filename=c172_rpm1
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.023000,0.989000,0.264000,1.110000
vparams=0.021000,65.600000,0.113000,68.000000,0.199000,11.200000,0.255000,0.000000,0.530000,0.000000,0.530000,0.000000,0.530000,0.000000,0.530000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.01

[COMBUSTION.1.01]
filename=c172_rpm2
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.211000,0.977000,0.400000,1.203000
vparams=0.039000,0.000000,0.127000,9.600000,0.174000,69.600000,0.333000,77.600000,0.396000,16.000000,0.468000,0.000000,0.731000,0.000000,0.863000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.02

[COMBUSTION.1.02]
filename=c172_rpm3
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.382000,1.047000,0.838000,1.398000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.266000,0.000000,0.317000,12.800000,0.391000,62.400000,0.537000,68.800000,0.632000,12.000000,0.722000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.03

[COMBUSTION.1.03]
filename=c172_rpm4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.553000,0.954000,1.000000,1.398000
vparams=0.498000,0.000000,0.551000,16.000000,0.616000,91.200000,0.769000,100.000000,0.998000,100.000000,1.000000,100.000000,1.000000,100.000000,1.000000,100.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.04

[PROP.1.00]
filename=c172_prop1a
flags=2
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.841000,0.627000,1.097000
vparams=0.123000,0.000000,0.211000,1.200000,0.454000,2.000000,0.576000,0.000000,0.998000,0.000000,0.998000,0.000000,0.998000,0.000000,0.998000,0.000000
link=PROP.1.01

[PROP.1.01]
filename=c172_prop1b
flags=4
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.794000,0.593000,1.097000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.162000,0.000000,0.206000,0.800000,0.456000,2.000000,0.567000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000
link=PROP.1.02

[PROP.1.02]
filename=c172_prop2a
flags=2
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.488000,0.977000,1.000000,1.304000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.442000,0.000000,0.556000,3.000000,0.991000,9.600000,0.993000,9.600000,0.995000,9.600000,0.998000,9.600000,1.000000,9.600000
link=PROP.1.03

[PROP.1.03]
filename=c172_prop2b
flags=4
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.461000,0.977000,1.000000,1.304000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.211000,0.000000,0.477000,0.000000,0.537000,2.200000,0.998000,9.200000,1.000000,9.200000,1.000000,9.200000,1.000000,9.200000
link=PROP.1.04

[COMBUSTION.1.04]
filename=xc172_rpm1
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.051000,0.977000,0.306000,1.136000
vparams=0.000000,71.200000,0.134000,71.200000,0.229000,20.000000,0.299000,0.000000,0.456000,0.000000,0.456000,0.000000,0.456000,0.000000,0.456000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.05

[COMBUSTION.1.05]
filename=xc172_rpm2
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.266000,0.955000,0.556000,1.131000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.083000,0.000000,0.148000,11.200000,0.218000,67.200000,0.428000,71.200000,0.514000,12.000000,0.586000,0.000000,0.773000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.06

[COMBUSTION.1.06]
filename=xc172_rpm3
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.468000,0.933000,0.806000,1.245000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.412000,0.000000,0.456000,16.000000,0.500000,72.000000,0.718000,77.600000,0.796000,21.600000,0.884000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.07

[COMBUSTION.1.07]
filename=xc172_rpm4
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.708000,0.989000,0.998000,1.176000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.685000,0.000000,0.748000,21.600000,0.794000,84.800000,0.877000,100.000000,0.998000,100.000000,1.000000,100.000000,1.000000,100.000000

[PROP.1.04]
filename=xc172_prop1a
flags=2
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.000000,0.794000,0.843000,1.431000
vparams=0.204000,0.000000,0.248000,18.400000,0.488000,21.200000,0.644000,0.000000,0.644000,0.000000,0.644000,0.000000,0.644000,0.000000,0.644000,0.000000
link=PROP.1.05

[PROP.1.05]
filename=xc172_prop1b
flags=4
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.000000,0.758000,0.831000,1.431000
vparams=0.204000,0.000000,0.255000,18.800000,0.481000,21.200000,0.664000,0.000000,0.664000,0.000000,0.664000,0.000000,0.664000,0.000000,0.664000,0.000000
link=PROP.1.06

[PROP.1.06]
filename=xc172_prop2a
flags=2
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.426000,1.023000,1.000000,1.289000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.002000,0.000000,0.449000,0.000000,0.697000,21.800000,0.998000,25.000000,1.000000,21.000000,1.000000,21.000000,1.000000,21.000000
link=PROP.1.07

[PROP.1.07]
filename=xc172_prop2b
flags=4
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.421000,1.023000,1.000000,1.320000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.005000,0.000000,0.433000,0.000000,0.697000,21.200000,0.998000,25.000000,1.000000,21.000000,1.000000,21.000000,1.000000,21.000000

[NON_COMBUSTION.1.00]
filename=c172_noncombustion1
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.933000,0.444000,1.047000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.118000,0.000000,0.171000,28.000000,0.523000,33.600000,0.641000,0.000000,0.738000,0.000000,0.741000,1.600000,0.750000,0.000000
link=NON_COMBUSTION.1.01

[NON_COMBUSTION.1.01]
filename=c172_noncombustion2
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.458000,1.035000,1.000000,1.189000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.523000,0.000000,0.576000,34.400000,0.998000,44.800000,1.000000,44.000000,1.000000,44.000000,1.000000,44.000000,1.000000,44.000000
link=NON_COMBUSTION.1.02

[NON_COMBUSTION.1.02]
filename=xc172_noncombustion1
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.005000,0.715000,0.657000,1.047000
vparams=0.090000,0.000000,0.190000,7.200000,0.271000,23.200000,0.340000,49.600000,0.479000,56.800000,0.653000,0.000000,0.699000,0.000000,0.699000,0.000000
link=NON_COMBUSTION.1.03

[NON_COMBUSTION.1.03]
filename=xc172_noncombustion2
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.414000,1.023000,1.000000,1.176000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,0.373000,0.000000,0.558000,60.800000,1.000000,79.200000,1.000000,79.200000,1.000000,79.200000,1.000000,79.200000,1.000000,79.200000

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=wind3
minimum_volume=6000
maximum_volume=8500
minimum_rate=0.60
maximum_rate=0.90
minimum_speed=40.0
maximum_speed=120.0

[GEAR_UP_WARNING_SOUND]
filename=cagear

[STALL_WARNING]
filename=c172_stallhorn

[OVERSPEED_WARNING_SOUND]
flags=1

[AP_DISENGAGE_SOUND]
filename=c172_apdisconnect

[EXIT_OPEN]
filename=door_small_open

[EXIT_CLOSE]
filename=door_small_close

[LEFT_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=cmtouch1, cmtouch2, cmtouch3

[RIGHT_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=cmtouch4, cmtouch5, cmtouch6

[CENTER_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=cmtouch7, cmtouch8

[GROUND_ROLL]
filename=cnroll2
flags=125218
minimum_volume=6000
maximum_volume=9200
minimum_speed=3
maximum_speed=55
minimum_rate=0.80
maximum_rate=1.60
link=GROUND_ROLL2

[GROUND_ROLL2]
filename=cnroll
flags=6612
link=GROUND_ROLL3

[GROUND_ROLL3]
filename=cnroll3
flags=121300
link=GROUND_ROLL4

[GROUND_ROLL4]
filename=cnroll4
flags=512
link=GROUND_ROLL5

[GROUND_ROLL5]
filename=cnroll5
flags=1024
link=GROUND_ROLL6

[GROUND_ROLL6]
filename=cnroll6
flags=131072

[FLAPS]
filename=c172_flaps
initial_volume=8700

[LEFT_WING_SCRAPE]
filename=smwngscr
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0

[RIGHT_WING_SCRAPE]
filename=smwngscr
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0

[FUSELAGE_SCRAPE]
filename=smblylnd
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0

[CRASH_SOUND]
filename=cncrash1,cncrash2

[SPLASH_SOUND]
filename=cnsplas1,cnsplas2

[GYRO_SOUND]
filename=c172_gyro
maximum_volume=8800
 
Thanks for the sound config John. I have it modded for a twin engine application, such as the Apache.

Simply make a copy of the stock C172 sound pack and place it where ever you keep your sound packs. Then download the attached "Twin opposed 4 cylinder Sound.cfg.txt" file and save it to your computer. Remame it to Sound.cfg. Then drop this new sound.cfg file into your duplicate C-172 sound folder. And there you have it, a twin opposed 4-cylinder sound pack.

OBIO
 
Had a go at making the TSS C172 sounds into a twin set (Turbine Sound Studios). Used on the ol' Apache. I think I like it. Just have to de-tune the aircraft. Displays too much power. Everything I read states that it was a twin with single engine performance. Not a really exciting ride, but very well mannered.
 
Aaron Swindle did two packs for the stock C172. The newer one adds beefiness to the stock package, while the older one make the pack sound less powerful...which was probably not his intent...but it works great for making a sound pack for less powerful opposed 4-cylinder engines like in the Cessna 140 and 150 (two of the planes that I use that package for). I found the older package on FSDome I do believe. The package name is: new172sn.zip

This pack is definitely worth looking for.

OBIO

I just sent an e-mail to Aaron Swindle asking permission to upload the single and twin sound packs using his older C172 files. Hopefully he grants permission as these sound packs can be used on a wide variety of planes.
 
For a Piper Apache or Aztec, I like the MS default sound of the Beech Baron 58. To me it gives it close enough to the right sound and the alias saves hard drive space.
 
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