Polishing up another Golden Age fighter

Cazzie

Cazzie

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I found this to my liking. there are two Goshawks at FlightSim, of the two, I consider this one the better. I increased all texture sizes to the FS2004 maximum of 1024 and did a complete repaint of everything. I also made a crinkled black instrument panel, as they were not wood. It will still appear in wood in 2D, I left that be.

I need a UV map of the wings from OBIO to map out the ailerons, which should be metal. I also need to find a map for the canopy frame, if there is one, it should be aluminum also, not black.

But with the Olympics going on, I decided to do a special repaint of the Goshawk to represent one of two purchased by Germany and flown at the 1936 Olympics by Ernst Udet. So with the Outhouse down, i took pen in hand. Let me know what you think, I'll get around to doing other repaints and also redoing all of the wonderful US Navy paints for this plane by [SIZE=-1]Mick Morrissey here at SOH[/SIZE].

OBIO, if you do not have it (or anyone else), here is the base model I used. When you get time, I could use the UV maps for it to more properly place some items and do the ailerons justice.

Caz
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FS2002/FS2004 Colombian Air Force Curtiss Hawk F-11 C-2. In 1932 the Colombian government bought 30 Hawk F-11 to attend the Peruvian invasion in the south of the country. This Hawk fought in countless battles. Model fully animated, with panel and VC. Model, panel and textures by Eduardo Fadul. Engine model by Tom Eads.

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Looks good Cazzie!

Ivan Hsu did some great CFS2 Hawk/Goshawks that work very well in Fs2004, but IIRC it has a retractable undercarriage.
 
Caz

The plane is downloading now. Will install it and have a set of UV maps mailed to you in less than 10 minutes.

Tim

SENT!
 
OBIO said:
Caz

The plane is downloading now. Will install it and have a set of UV maps mailed to you in less than 10 minutes.

Tim

SENT!
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You da man!

Just finished supper and must do some clean up. Thanks OBIO.

Caz
 
Ferry, you're thinking of the Hawk III, which was the Goshawk with retractable gear.

Note that there are two versions of Eduardo's Goshawk. He originally released it as a Columbian plane without a tail hook. After I painted it up in the colors and markings of all the section leaders of the U.S. Navy's VF-1, he kindly made a version with a tail hook just for my paints. Alas, the version with the hook has a texture mapping glitch that affected the markings on my paints. If I recall, it had something to do with the way the section leader's band wraps around the upper fuselage behind the cockpit. Can't remember for sure - getting late - getting tired - ZZZZZZZZ...
 
djwaglik said:
http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/zbiory_sz.php?ido=19&w=a ...and there she is
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Would you look at that! WOW! Thanks Lukasz. I would never have imagined that plane had survived all these years! Going to enlarge the "1936" Font size in my model to match the photos on the link. I went by a profile. I noticed the German tri-color on the tail in the photo. The profile shows the swastika. Which would be correct or would it work to do the swastika on one side and the tri-color on the other?

Caz
 
There was a period when they put the tricolor on the right side and the swastika on the left side.

First it was tricolor on both sides, then the Nazis came to power and added the swastika to one side, then later to both sides.

I don't know the times when the changes were made.

Here's a vintage video of Udet and his Goshawk that seems to show the swastika on the left and the tricolor on the right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NUqZhqrqcU

And here's a photo of the other side of the museum example linked above, showing the swastika on the left:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Curtis_export_hawk_II_cracow_aviation_museum.jpg

The earlier linked photo shows the tricolor on the right, so it seems that this plane should have the swastika on the left and the tricolor on the right.
 
Many thanks Mick. I shall correct that and add then tri-color to the starboard fin.

It seems in the movie when it bore the registration of D-IRIK that both fins were in the tri-color and the Olympics markings were not in place.

Great link Mick, appreciate all the help.

You may notice the image have changed. Thanks to the UV maps sent by OBIO, I found the windshield framing. The metal ailerons have been done also, except for amending the starboard fin, she's a wrap/

Caz
 
Here's a screen grab from the video that shows the swastika on the left side of the tail.

I don't see the Olympic markings. They may have been applied later, or they may just not show up in this fuzzy video.
 
BTW, Udet brought two Goshawks back to Germany, not just one.

The other was registered D-316. I don't know if the markings were the same except for the registration. Some research on Google might answer that question. D-316 was tested on floats as well as wheels.

Eduardo's Goshawk also comes in a float version...
 
Mick, the other was the one I did, which was D-3165 according to the profile from Squadron's In Action. It will never be totally accurate. I tried to remove the telescopic sight, but like many others, black alpha on black give one a shiny chrome, not invisibility. If that had worked, I was going to do away with the belly tank, as the two German Hawk IIs had the detachable flat belly tank. But why bicker, I just did them both! :jump:

Caz
 
A beautiful and very interesting repaint Cazzie! :applause: :applause: :applause:

Mick said:
There was a period when they put the tricolor on the right side and the swastika on the left side.
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There is an official instruction dated 20 March 1934 which provides all sizes and colours of these tail markings. On the port side swastika and on the starboard side the old German national flag.
This instruction was only applicable for civil aircrafts. Luftwaffe aircraft were suppose to have the swastika on both sides. As the Germans officially did not have an air force this is a bit tricky.

According to the book "Hitler's Stuka squadrons" Udet's Goshawks arrived in Bremerhaven in October 1933. Before July 1935 the aircrafts received the registration D-ISIS and D-IRIK (the book wrongly states D-IRIS instead of D-IRIK). During a demonstration at Tempelhof in Berlin the tail came of D-IRIK. Udet safely used his parachute, but the aircraft was destroyed. Udet used D-ISIS as his private aircraft until the outbreak of the War after which it was placed in the Berlin Air Museum. When much of the collection of this museum was destroyed or damaged the Udet's plane was move to Poland. After the war it was put on display in the National Polish museum in Krakow.

The you tube clip was taken from the German propaganda movie "Wunder des Fliegens" to promote the Luftwaffe. This movie was released in 1935.

When the aircrafts arrived they first received the registration D-3165 and D-3166. However when the "Buchstabenkennung" was introduced in spring 1934 the D-3165 became D-ISIS and the D-3166 became D-IRIK.

D-IRIK was painted overal silver, but D-ISIS had a red cowling and red edges on the front of the wings.

Cheers,
Huub
 
huub vink said:
A beautiful and very interesting repaint Cazzie! :applause: :applause: :applause:



There is an official instruction dated 20 March 1934 which provides all sizes and colours of these tail markings. On the port side swastika and on the starboard side the old German national flag.
This instruction was only applicable for civil aircrafts. Luftwaffe aircraft were suppose to have the swastika on both sides. As the Germans officially did not have an air force this is a bit tricky.

According to the book "Hitler's Stuka squadrons" Udet's Goshawks arrived in Bremerhaven in October 1933. Before July 1935 the aircrafts received the registration D-ISIS and D-IRIK (the book wrongly states D-IRIS instead of D-IRIK). During a demonstration at Tempelhof in Berlin the tail came of D-IRIK. Udet safely used his parachute, but the aircraft was destroyed. Udet used D-ISIS as his private aircraft until the outbreak of the War after which it was placed in the Berlin Air Museum. When much of the collection of this museum was destroyed or damaged the Udet's plane was move to Poland. After the war it was put on display in the National Polish museum in Krakow.

The you tube clip was taken from the German propaganda movie "Wunder des Fliegens" to promote the Luftwaffe. This movie was released in 1935.

When the aircrafts arrived they first received the registration D-3165 and D-3166. However when the "Buchstabenkennung" was introduced in spring 1934 the D-3165 became D-ISIS and the D-3166 became D-IRIK.

D-IRIK was painted overal silver, but D-ISIS had a red cowling and red edges on the front of the wings.

Cheers,
Huub
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All information copied and saved Huub, many thanks for clarifying all. I shall do it both way, with and without the Olympic rings and year on D-3175/IRIK. I want to do D-ISIS now because of the red cowling and wing leading edges. Nothing has been uploaded anywhere as yet.

Caz
 
Huub, I am confused. You mentioned that D-ISIS was the second Goshawk and the one in whick Udet used as his personal aircraft, yet the model in the link shows D-IRIK? I also notice that the model has scalloped ;eading edge stripes, would that be correct, sure would look nice. the model has the "D-IRIK" registration on each wing, I think this may be incorrect if you see the video. It appears that "D-I" was on one wing and "RIK" on the other. I plan on completing this one as "D-ISIS with the Olympic rings and with the red leading edges, it looks so good. :applause:

Caz
 
Cazzie said:
Huub, I am confused. You mentioned that D-ISIS was the second Goshawk and the one in whick Udet used as his personal aircraft, yet the model in the link shows D-IRIK?
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He flew both for demonstrations until the tail came off D-IRIK over Tempelhof. After that he used D-IRIS as his personal aircraft. Take a second look at the model as it is really D-IRIS.

Cheers,
Huub


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Yeah, the modeler has D-IRIS.

I have done both, IRIK and ISIS. I am going to put some red leading edges on the wings and move on.

Caz
 
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