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I know I sound like a wet blanket but over R500 (South African money) for a game is a bit steep.
While I have no doubt the quality is great and I respect the effort I am not prepared to pay almost double the normal price for a game. The average price of a pc game in South Africa is R299 and a top rated game comes in at between R329 and R400 (fallout 3).
After a few months the price drops to around R150 to R250 for an older game.
While I understand you cannot be country specific with your pricing you have to be realistic.
I will get the game when the price drops as I am sure it will or I will end up flying Rise of Flight which will be affordable.
Please do not take this as offensive or view it as critical. I just think you will sell more if the game is cheaper.
When I initialy pre-ordered the game the exchange rate was R300 to $50 which was reasonable.
The dollar has strengthened yet your pricing has not reflected this. Please understand where I am coming from. You would have made R300 out of me last year, now you want me to fork out and extra R200 for the same product. While you have not actual increased your price world events have.
Something to look at maybe?
 
Bobb4 said:
I will get the game when the price drops as I am sure it will or I will end up flying Rise of Flight which will be affordable.
Please do not take this as offensive or view it as critical. I just think you will sell more if the game is cheaper.
When I initialy pre-ordered the game the exchange rate was R300 to $50 which was reasonable.
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I realize that the money markets have put up the price to that which you now say you won't pay, and to that extent you have my sympathy. But the same thing has happened to other countries, including mine.
That is not the fault of OBD, nor is it practical for them to work out each country's rate against the dollar!
And , let's face it, if the dollar had gone the other way, wouldn't you have just considered it your good fortune? Or moaned ( rightly ) if the Devs had then put up the price to account for that movement of the dollar?

In any event, I don't see how the price will drop. It isn't being marketed thru the shops, but only thru OBD .
And as for ROF - let us know how much you have spent when you have got 39 flyable planes, or any missions, or dynamic campaign. Those are going to be extras that will cost, as I understand it.

Again, sorry it has got beyond your reach, but blame the money markets.
 
Bobb:welcome:

I fully appreciate your concerns.

In the current world economic climate, of course fluctuating exchange rates can produce unwanted and even bizarre results.

I would add, however, that, based upon my personal experience of BHAH to date ( I have been flying a final beta copy since November), I would recommend that anyone who is moved by or has a keen interest in the WW1 flight sim genre and who can afford to do so obtain it.

This is a sim ,which, once obtained, will go on giving you pleasure for many years to come thus compensating you, more than adequately, for your initial investment.

Just my personal and slightly informed opinion.

best

nio

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Just my 2 cents:
Bobb4 doesn't question the quality of OFF3 - and neither do I.
What Bobb4 says is that, however brilliant and outstanding and comprehensive and loaded with never-seen-before features a product may be, it WILL NOT sell if it's perceived as too expensive.

It is sometimes difficult to understand, especially when you've toiled for months (or years) on a piece of software (or any other product), why its retail price is so disconnected from what you think would be the right price. The reason is simple: a product best price is the price for which the product sells best. It may be far cheaper or much more expensive than what you expect.

What's best ? Selling 10,000 pcs at USD 50 each, 15,000 pcs at USD 45 each or 30,000 pcs at USD 40 each ? Think about it: adjusting a few bucks off or to the initial price may have your sales plummet or rocket.

This said, the OFF team has made a truly brilliant job.
 
Bobb
I work as an engineer in a large copier company which has two divisions, office printing and production printing. The office market is pretty large and an office product will often sell 100,000 printers per year. The production market is much smaller (the printers typically cost $500,000 stripped) and often we sell a few hundred per year. I have sourced parts for both divisions and a funny thing happens. When we ask a supplier to quote on making and supplying 100,000 parts per year, we might get a quote of $75 per part for example. When we ask for a quote on a very similar part in quantities of 300 per year, the price was close to $500 per part and the vendor really wasn't interested in making it. Every time I solicit quotes from vendors, the price is specified at a certain supply volume and if we decide to order fewer parts, the quoted price goes up.
Unfortunately, the market for a realistic WW1 simulator is pretty small. Most people grew up either in the aftermath of WW2 (my dad reloaded the machine guns on F4U Corsairs) or the jet age. The result is that the cost of production (and the payback of several years work by the team) must be divided by a small number of us enthusiasts. This was factored into the price of OFF3 but there is a silver lining for you- since the price of OFF is fixed, as the value of currency drops, the real cost of OFF3 will drop with it.
Your problem is real and I think that you brought it up in a very unoffensive way (which can seem a rare skill around here). I think your point about the OFF team selling more copies at a lower price could have merit but it's a classic marketing problem to predict the optimum volume/price point. Historically, I think that the OFF team was quite disappointed by the response to their call for donations for both P1 and P2, which would lead them to underpredict the number of buyers.
 
The problem with rise of flight is that when you buy it it comes with 2 flyables.After that,you will have to pay for each and every other flyable plane you want.Thats going to cost a great deal more than $50 to get the same amount you will get with OFF. OFF could be considered expensive,as a lot of people still consider it just an add on to CFS,but it is much more than that. I justify these sort of purchases by thinking how much I would spend in a week if I smoked,drank,or went out for a meal.
 
cheap at the price

From all I've listened to I don't think P3 was developed as a money-making proposition in the first place....but put togther out of love/interest/obsession....call it what you will....but my guess is that the price tag was estimated to cover costs of distribution.....it certainly won't buy back the 5 years of hard work for all the guys that made it. And it's true.....it's a buy that lasts for years.....you'd spend $50 on dinner...and that's gone the next day. Fifty bucks for years of happy flapping sound like a hell of an investment to me! Cheers all......GAW
 
Where there's a will/// there's a way

I know of some who easily spend 14.00 bucks a day on a habit that is slowly but surely killing them and think nothing of it.

I know people who have to have booze with every meal or on the minimum every time they eat out and consider that the norm.

I know others who horde their wealth and get no joy out of it other than great sums of wealth but a miserable existance and consider that normal.

And i know that if you want something bad enough you will find a way to get it. Work an extra shift,stop a bad habit and reward yourself for stoping it, work overtime or freelance your tallent,cut back on something for a short while until the objective of what you want is met.

How bad do you want it???? You can and will find a way.

These are my observation's only and are not pointed at anyone in general.


Pd
 
originally posted by Bobb4-"I will get the game when the price drops as I am sure it will or I will end up flying Rise of Flight which will be affordable."

Initially the cost of RoF (around $25 US from what I have read) will be less expensive than BHAH. What are you really getting for your money? Just look at one aspect, RoF will be released with 2, possibly 4, flyable aircraft (with additional aircraft available for around $5-$7 US each) as opposed to BHAH's 39 flyable aircraft. You do the math. Even if they were to give RoF away for free and charged for the extra aircraft, it would still cost you $175-$245 US to have as many flyable aircraft as BHAH does.
So my question is Bobb4, what do you consider more affordable? $50 US for a sim with 39 flyable aircraft, or $200 US, or more, for one with 39. Untimately it's your call, but IMO BHAH is a much better buy.
Ultimately, since we're dealing with people here, there will be some who are not willing to pay the $50 US for BHAH. That's their loss. But if you think that RoF is more affordable, methinks that you need to look again!

Just my 2 cents.

CJ
 
$59 delivered is not at all expensive, here in the USA.
There is NO COMPARISON between OFF and ROF ... OFF is SO MUCH better in every respect!
Save yer pennies and get the best WWI sim!
 
$50 - Nuts

I have been looking forward to this for so long but its out of my price range in the UK.

We have a temporary 15% VAT rate (its normally 17.5%) and we have a terrible £/$ rate at the moment (£1=$1.50). Some people are predicting parity.

Presently, including postage, that makes OFF £45.23 plus any credit card conversion charges and import duty. That's really expensive in the UK.

Oh well, sigh.

(Bl**dy Gordon blinking Brown. Keynesian economical claptrap. From a mathematical point of view Keynesian economics is total sh*t. Hasn't anyone heard of exponential growth??? Twits. Sorry about the rant but my life is being affected by complete morons. Note: I'm a PhD mathematician and predicted this economical collapse 8.5 years ago. I applied but was always rejected from professional financial jobs due to my unwillingness to subscribe to stupid Keynesian brainwashing that is prevelent in these organisations. My brother predicted the collapse of Northern Rock and the other banks 6 years before it occured. We are told the best people get the top jobs. Rubbish, complete f*cktards get those jobs.)
 
As well as the hassle that OBD have had to tolerate over the past six months as the launch got nearer I'm sure I wasn't alone in feeling a great heap of sympathy for them in bringing out a product into a world where very quickly, it's become a buyers market.
People are more conscious of the value of the dosh in their pocket. Jobs are uncertain, the cash flow unpredictable.
Its not quite so easy to flash out on an item which 99 percent of the time is a luxury item.
(There was one lad on here who was so impressed with the effort put in by the team that, although his machine can't run P3, he's still going to buy it. Wow!)
That kind of devotion to this part of our history and hobby is rare.
They knew when they started that it wasn't going to find itself in the main PC game community rump but attracting mostly flight simmers and even then, only those with an interest in the historical and combat slant.
As for me, I rarely drink, don't smoke and don't do the lottery.
A no-brainer as the current saying goes. But its easy for some....
 
I have to agree with Bob , its unfortunate world economic events over took the release of OFF P3 , its a setback sure but it just means saving my pennies for a bit longer , I'll get P3 eventually for sure ive waited this long another month or so wont kill me , or you either Bob .

Cheers :welcome:
 
jaa said:
I have been looking forward to this for so long but its out of my price range in the UK.

We have a temporary 15% VAT rate (its normally 17.5%) and we have a terrible £/$ rate at the moment (£1=$1.50). Some people are predicting parity.

Presently, including postage, that makes OFF £45.23 plus any credit card conversion charges and import duty. That's really expensive in the UK.

Oh well, sigh.
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I'm in the UK.I am also a full time carer,therefore poor.I also knew OFF was in the works,priced at $50 several months ago.So I saved up for this day!
The pound/dollar rate is terrible,but is predicted to get worse,so it would make sense to buy OFF sooner rather than later.
 
I think the thing that annoys me most is that this financial collapse was totally predictable to any half decent mathematician who had not been brainwashed by Keynesian economics (the economics taught in ivy league universities).

At the end of Clinton's term he passed a bill that overturned the protections that were put in place after the 1930s Great Depression that stopped banks lending out theoretically infinite sums of money. So, guess what, the banks started lending out money they never had.

Most people I know ask 'Where's all the money gone?' I try to explain the money never existed. It was magiced into existence by the banks.

Now we are all suffering the fallout of this stupidity.

Greedy bankers and stupid politicians.

I think Obama's a really great guy, but for financial policy he is listening to the same people that caused this financial mess.

I just despair.
 
RFD said:
$59 delivered is not at all expensive, here in the USA.
There is NO COMPARISON between OFF and ROF ... OFF is SO MUCH better in every respect!
Save yer pennies and get the best WWI sim!
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Guys it is what it is. I look at it this way, someone will pay $65 for the latest version of an XBOX 360 game, which is fun but nothing beyond that... guys will think nothing of paying $125 dollars for an old, out of circulation book on Amazon....

With BHaH, you have the best of all worlds. It's not a game, it's not just a sim, it's a wormhole into another time. And that's the best I can do to describe it. We can't set prices per country, and at the time, we felt that the dollar was weak against the pound, which was to the UK's advantage.

I travel extensively, and I NEVER omit a country or it's culture based on the rate of it's currency... well ... except the UK now as I work British Airways, so I can go there anytime I want. If it's too steep, we understand, but complaining about it is not fair to others.

Don't base the quality of this Sim on the price, it's beyond that. If you look into the sim more for than just combat flying, you will walk away with a better education and understanding of WWI.

I hope that helps you all a little if you are wondering if this is worth the money you will spend. But at the same time, I don't want you to set your expectations so high, and wonder if it was money well spent. If you are a enthusiast of WWI, it's a living history book, or museum if you will ... if you are just a guy that likes to fly.... well... it's worth it, and you'll soon find yourself reading the reports, the news, the bios, the kill lists... the breifing..using maps... etc.

get my meaning. ;)

All the best,

OvS
 
Maybe best to close this thread. I think all has been said.

WF2
 
ovs said:
Guys it is what it is. I look at it this way, someone will pay $65 for the latest version of an XBOX 360 game, which is fun but nothing beyond that... guys will think nothing of paying $125 dollars for an old, out of circulation book on Amazon....

With BHaH, you have the best of all worlds. It's not a game, it's not just a sim, it's a wormhole into another time. And that's the best I can do to describe it. We can't set prices per country, and at the time, we felt that the dollar was weak against the pound, which was to the UK's advantage.

I travel extensively, and I NEVER omit a country or it's culture based on the rate of it's currency... well ... except the UK now as I work British Airways, so I can go there anytime I want. If it's too steep, we understand, but complaining about it is not fair to others.

Don't base the quality of this Sim on the price, it's beyond that. If you look into the sim more for than just combat flying, you will walk away with a better education and understanding of WWI.

I hope that helps you all a little if you are wondering if this is worth the money you will spend. But at the same time, I don't want you to set your expectations so high, and wonder if it was money well spent. If you are a enthusiast of WWI, it's a living history book, or museum if you will ... if you are just a guy that likes to fly.... well... it's worth it, and you'll soon find yourself reading the reports, the news, the bios, the kill lists... the breifing..using maps... etc.

get my meaning. ;)

All the best,

OvS
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+1, spot on.

I just don't get the whining, p!ssing and moaning about the price tag for OFF P3.

I mean, we've all known for a very very long time that the P3 target price was $50, and the OFF Team kept it as such. So NOW you wanna b!tch about the cost???

P3 is NOT a sim for a wimpy PC, and y'all know that, too. So if you can afford a gamer PC, but now you can't afford P3? I just don't get it. :faint:

Complaining about spending $60-$70 (delivered) for OFF P3 makes no sense at all - significantly less when you realize what yer getting. Yeesh. :173go1:
 
Well, market forces and price be damned!..... I can't wait for it to arrive.:woot:
 
If you look at the price of any new GOOD computer game that hits the market the price is just about always $49. I see $50 as a normal price for a new CG and I am just paying an extra $9 for shipping from across the pond!

I can't afford it right now but I have put it in my budget so I can purchase it in the near future!

All good things come to he who waits!:amen:
 
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