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I have a question for if and when I get a new computer.
I plan on getting Windows 7 64 bit.Now I know you have to run as adminestrator ,and turnoff user accounts and install outside of program files. My backup is an external 2 tb hd and most of my sims are under program files on this.
Since the operating system will be on the C drive not the g drive( the letter for my external hd), will I still be able to run FS9 and the other sims from my external hd without the problems that go along if you install your flight sims under program files on the c drive?
I know I shouldn't mess too much with the sims on the external hd but I might want to run from it once in a while and also continue to use it as a backup
Also ,just to be sure ,although someone else answerd this question before ,if I have a fast enough computer with maybe a quad core ,should I still have to shut down backround programs and do I have to assign thenm to the other cores or will this do that automatically?
 
Sorry to ask, but what are the problems if you install in Program Files ?
I believe that once you disable the user account control (UAC) of Windows 7, the installation in Program Files is not problematic anymore. Am I wrong ?
 
It doesn't matter how many cores you get FS9 only runs on one of them. So for FS9 a single core 3.4 gig is better than a quad core 2.8 gig. The only way I know to assign them to cores is to buy the program at Simmarket. It's a multicore advance that allows you to do that. I have a dual core and fs9 is assigned to core 2. Increases frames by about 10. You can run fs9 from your external hd but it probably won't be as fast.
 
You can assign FS9 to a core via the task manager, the only problem is that you have to do it each time you launch the sim.
The program that you can buy sets it once for all, but in my opinion is not really worth it.
 
would like to get a quad core

The only reason I would like to get a quad core is for future programs that might benifit .I take it that the main reason for installing outside progrm files is if you don't shut off UAC , is that right? I want to be able to run other newer programs ,like ROF and maybe Microsoft Flight or any thing else that might come out in the forseeable future. I gotta make my next computer last and this ones 10 years old and i can't run a lot of newer programs,it runs FS9 fairly well and I know it would run better if I cut back more on some settings but I like the eye candy even if sometimes depending on where I'am flying at ,it's like a slide show.
 
I use this little freeware program. Works just fine!


FS2004 (ACOF) - Misc.FS2004 Affinity Tool
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[SIZE=-1]FS2004 Affinity Tool for multi-core computers. Used to make FS2004 run on only one virtual CPU. By Behcet H. S.


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I have seen many references to the speed of multi-core processors and how it relates to FS9 performance. People saying that a multi-core processor with a clock speed of 2.8 would give less performance than a single core processor of 3.0 speed. I am not so sure on this. There are many factors involved in the total performance seen from FS9. Yes, FS9 is very CPU dependent...but a modern multi-core system with an equal, and possibly slightly slower clock speed, will give much greater FS9 performance due to increased speeds in other areas.

Here's what I am basing this on:

My old system was a Win XP based, P4 3.0gig system with 2 gig of DDR-400 PC3200 RAM and an Nvidia GForce 7600GT graphics card with 768meg of video RAM. C drive was a 500gig IDE drive and D drive (on which I had my sims installed) was a 250gig SATA drive. In reality, the overall performance of this system was not as great as it would appear just looking at those stats. The DDR-400 ram actually ran at half speed due to a slow MOBO. The 250gig SATA drive was bottle necked down to IDE speeds.

Running the highly detailed Boeing Stearman by PropTrash...the Bull Stearman....I could only get a high of 13 FPS out in open country. If I were around any detailed scenery...such as the KSEA airport....frame rates were low single digits.

Now, I have a new system that I built back in late February/early March of this year. Spent just just over a grand for all the parts...and that included a new 19-inch DVI/HDMI ACER non-wide screen monitor, Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit Builders Pack, a new SATA LG Multi-Drive DVD/CD reader/burner. Intel i7-950 at 3.066Ghz, 6gig of Corsair DDR3-1333 PC12,800 RAM, MSI MOBO built to handle the full potential of the I7 CPU and the RAM, 768meg Nvidia Geforce GTX 460, a ITB SATA drive. Tons of cooling fans and tons of room for expansion. Currently have a 250Gig SATA as C drive, the 1TB SATA as D drive (my sim drive) and a 500gig SATA as my internal archiving drive.

If FS9 performance were solely based on CPU clock speed, then I would see little difference between my old system and the new system in terms of FPS. But this is far from the case. Using the Bull Stearman as a base line....I can run that bird at 80 plus FPS over detail heavy scenery...such as KSEA and the city there about. If I take the plane out into the country, away from heavy scenery areas....I see frames rates well over 100FPS. And all this while running FS9 on a single core with all background apps running.

Why is this possible? Because my new system is simply much faster all around. The MOBO speed is 8 or more times faster than the MOBO in my old system. The RAM speed is 8 times faster in the new system than in the old system. The video card in the new system runs DDR5 video memory...which is something like 20 times faster than the memory on the old 7600GT I had. My SATA drives are now running at their full speed and are not bottle necked down. Even with a CPU clock speed that is nearly identical, my overall system speed is 8, 9, 10 times of that of my old system. Information and commands get to and from the various components much faster, computations are transmitted from memory to cpu and back 10 times faster than on my old system.

So, even if a modern built multi-core system has the same, or possibly slightly slower, CPU clock speed, a huge improvement in overall FS9 performance will be seen due to the overall increase in speed of the new system. Faster RAM, faster MOBO, faster bus speeds, faster graphics processing. It all ties together....even though FS9 is a CPU heavy application.....the overall speed and power of a modern system will give you a world of improvement in your sim.

Having said all that...I can attest that assigning your sim to run on its own core, away from Windows, will give you a huge gain in sim performance. I haven't done this with FS9, but last night I had FSX fired up. Without setting affinities, I was getting around 35 FPS with all sliders maxed out. I sent FSX to core 2, Windows on core 1, some other apps to cores 3 and 4....and my frame rates went through the roof. Flying the FSX version of the Razbam A-6 Intruder, frame rates ranged from 140 FPS to over 200FPS...depending on the complexity of the scenery overvwhich I was flying.

That makes me want to see just how high frame rates will be in FS9 if I set the same affinities for the various programs on my system.

OBIO

Oh...even with all the power and speed of my new system....I still keep FS9 locked at 25FPS. Can't really tell a difference in the sim at 25FPS or 100FPS. It is equally as smooth, as sharp and as flawless at either speed. No point taxing my system running at 100FPS if there is no readily apparent gain in how well the sim looks or feels. And for those times that I fly on the SOH dedicated flight server, frame rates have to be locked at 25FPS anyhow....so I just keep them at 25.
 
I really hate to show my stupidity

I hate to show how dumb I am but, want does MOBO mean? Is it motherboard?And also whats IDE? Finally( for now) why would the sims on my backup hd run slower than the same sims on my C drive? I have found when I check my external backup after installing something new that it does take a longer time for the sim to boot up and load planes than on the c drive.
I thought if the external drive was independent of the drive the op was on then it should be faster.
I gotta print all this good info out and take it to where ever I get my new computer ,in a galaxity far far away.
And from what I'am getting is if you have a multi core you have to assign the sim your running to one core each time your going to run it, either through the task manager or a program.
 
MOBO=Motherboard

IDE=the older type of hard drive, slower than the modern SATA drives

Your sims on the external drive may be slower due to a slower through put to the drive.....meaning the info from the drive takes longer to read into memory. If the drive is connected to a USB port, then on your 10 year old system, you are probably dealing with slow USB 1.0 connections.

When you are ready to have your system built, contact TxNetCop here on SOH....he is a guru at suggesting which components to use to build a blazingly fast system that is stable and for not a ton of money. My system set me back just over a thousand dollars...but if I were to buy a comparable system in a store prebuilt....it would have been $2500 plus for this system. It is far more system than I need, and can be expanded and upgraded into an even more powerful system.

OBIO
 
As far as assigning your sim to run on one particular core, yes you have to set that each time you run the sim...unless you have a program that will automatically assign the core affinities for you. The one Stuart gave the link to may do that.....I know there is a payware program that will do it.

OBIO
 
Thanks for the info

Thankyou al of you so much for all the valuable info you've taken the time to give.It will prove invaluable when the time comes So from what Tim said about why things run slower from the external drive, on a new sustem with more powerful usb ports , it should run faster? Sorry to keep beating a dead horse( and I love animals)
 
Hurricane

I don't think that having your sim files on an external HD will make that much difference in the speed of it loading.....having it on a HD separate from the operating system may help it load faster. I have my sims on a secondary internal drive....D drive....away from the operating system on C drive. My external drives are simply for archiving and backing up files and my sim installs. I keep my sim installs away from my operating system drive simply for increased protection of my installs....if I ever have to reformat and rebuild my operating system, then I don't have to worry about my sim files being lost.

OBIO
 
so it's my USB connection

So as you said Tim , the reason the sims run slower on my old machine, on my external HD, is the slower connection speed of the USB port I'am connected to for my external HD, and on a newer machine with more powerful USB ports the sims would run about the same.I usually disconnect my external HD when I'am not backing up something so if something goes wacko it's saved on the external HD.
 
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