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Question on the new Bf-109G6/AS
- Thread starter Browncoat
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Yes it belongs there. The full designation for those aircraft was Bf109G-6/AS/y. It was an antenna for an additional FuG 16ZY radio installed for flight leaders.
Yes it belongs there. The full designation for those aircraft was Bf109G-6/AS/y. It was an antenna for an additional FuG 16ZY radio installed for flight leaders.
Thanks Capt. Hard to keep track of all the different flavors of Bf-109. You learn something new everyday, and these new models are just beautiful. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
...I also wouldn't mind if you folks revisited the Virtual Wings Fw-109D series.
pstrany
Charter Member
FuG 16ZY Radio Set
Hi;
just to add a tidbit or two, the FuG 16ZY radio set had been around a while, and installations of the antenna had included being located on the fuselage spine in place of the regular R/T antenna mast (Freidrich), and under the fuselage forward of the tail wheel (Emil) (this one might have been retractable? My German is atrocious, and I can't tell from the pictures).
It evidently took a while for production to ramp up, and at first the unit was limited to unit commanders. As more unit became available, the installation became more common, and in the early Gustav the antenna was moved to the under surface of the fuselage next to the fairing that covered the right wing lower bolt attachment point.
By the time the G-14 and G-10 came out, there was sufficient production to make the installation pretty much universal, and of course the antenna was moved to the port wing.
The best coverage of this that I have found is in Harald Vogt's book "Messerschmitt Bf 109: Einsatzmaschinen Das Nachschlagwerk" (VDM 2012).
The team would have to have a discussion before doing a Dora upgrade, but I do still have all the source files, so it is a possibility. We still do have quite a few 109s to go through yet. We have completed the G-6, G-14. G-10, F-4, F-2, and are working on the G-2. There are still other Gustav and Freidrich models to do as well, and of course there is also the Emil, which is in process....
Paul
Hi;
just to add a tidbit or two, the FuG 16ZY radio set had been around a while, and installations of the antenna had included being located on the fuselage spine in place of the regular R/T antenna mast (Freidrich), and under the fuselage forward of the tail wheel (Emil) (this one might have been retractable? My German is atrocious, and I can't tell from the pictures).
It evidently took a while for production to ramp up, and at first the unit was limited to unit commanders. As more unit became available, the installation became more common, and in the early Gustav the antenna was moved to the under surface of the fuselage next to the fairing that covered the right wing lower bolt attachment point.
By the time the G-14 and G-10 came out, there was sufficient production to make the installation pretty much universal, and of course the antenna was moved to the port wing.
The best coverage of this that I have found is in Harald Vogt's book "Messerschmitt Bf 109: Einsatzmaschinen Das Nachschlagwerk" (VDM 2012).
The team would have to have a discussion before doing a Dora upgrade, but I do still have all the source files, so it is a possibility. We still do have quite a few 109s to go through yet. We have completed the G-6, G-14. G-10, F-4, F-2, and are working on the G-2. There are still other Gustav and Freidrich models to do as well, and of course there is also the Emil, which is in process....
Paul
Thanks for the information Paul. I wish I read German. The book you sourced looks like it would be an amazing read. Just looking at the placement of the antenna, I would expect that it would be easy for it to be damaged when the drop tank was released.
As as far as the Dora, it’s good to read that you still have the source files. If and how you would want to work an upgrade project for the Fw-190D, I’ll certainly leave to you and your talented team. I’ve always appreciated the Doras you built originally for CFS2, and can only imagine what you and your team could do now. But I can certainly understand your desire to focus on what is infront of you.
Are you you planning on working on the Bf-109K?
As as far as the Dora, it’s good to read that you still have the source files. If and how you would want to work an upgrade project for the Fw-190D, I’ll certainly leave to you and your talented team. I’ve always appreciated the Doras you built originally for CFS2, and can only imagine what you and your team could do now. But I can certainly understand your desire to focus on what is infront of you.
Are you you planning on working on the Bf-109K?
pstrany
Charter Member
Various.....
Eddie: yup, still have the source, and developments, of the Me 264. Frankly, given the number of half-completed projects I have, it would be quite a while before that gets pulled into the hangar to be worked on, as there is a lot of other stuff further along that I'd probably blow the dust off first.
Browncoat: We might eventually get to the Kurfust. We just finished up the F-2 and F-4, and we're circling back around and cleaning up the remaining Gustavs first (G-4, G-1, -3 , -5, and the G-12), then we have to finish up the Freidrichs (F-1, and recon versions). Next sub-model will probably by the Emil. At that point, we will have to discuss which direction to go next, earlier or later, or maybe even head off in a completely different direction altogether.
One thing I've noticed is nobody ever commented on the blurred prop. I always hated the flat disk prop, and the prop we are using on the 109 is something I cooked up a number of years ago as a lark. Keltiheart had helped a bit but got sick before he was able to do more than offer a few suggestions. The prop is designed to give a more realistic appearance, notably from the side view, but also from other aspects as well. Needless to say, it is a compromise, and far from perfect, but I like it better than the flat disk. I hope at least that it doesn't detract from the overall look of the model for most folks.
Paul
Eddie: yup, still have the source, and developments, of the Me 264. Frankly, given the number of half-completed projects I have, it would be quite a while before that gets pulled into the hangar to be worked on, as there is a lot of other stuff further along that I'd probably blow the dust off first.
Browncoat: We might eventually get to the Kurfust. We just finished up the F-2 and F-4, and we're circling back around and cleaning up the remaining Gustavs first (G-4, G-1, -3 , -5, and the G-12), then we have to finish up the Freidrichs (F-1, and recon versions). Next sub-model will probably by the Emil. At that point, we will have to discuss which direction to go next, earlier or later, or maybe even head off in a completely different direction altogether.
One thing I've noticed is nobody ever commented on the blurred prop. I always hated the flat disk prop, and the prop we are using on the 109 is something I cooked up a number of years ago as a lark. Keltiheart had helped a bit but got sick before he was able to do more than offer a few suggestions. The prop is designed to give a more realistic appearance, notably from the side view, but also from other aspects as well. Needless to say, it is a compromise, and far from perfect, but I like it better than the flat disk. I hope at least that it doesn't detract from the overall look of the model for most folks.
Paul
Paul,
I think the prop works very well. Having played with the plane in both CFS2 and FS9, the animation transitions very nicely between many different settings. That’s not easy to do with propellers in a sim. And you are even working on a G-12 trainer? Part of me cringes with excitement. The thought of being an instructor in the backseat of a 109? that’s the definition of hazardous pay....
I think the prop works very well. Having played with the plane in both CFS2 and FS9, the animation transitions very nicely between many different settings. That’s not easy to do with propellers in a sim. And you are even working on a G-12 trainer? Part of me cringes with excitement. The thought of being an instructor in the backseat of a 109? that’s the definition of hazardous pay....
Got your message Paul, and have replied, check your emails!
pstrany
Charter Member
Eddie: Thanks, I received your email, and replied to same. Let's see what I can do.
Browncoat: Yup, the G-12 is in the works. I'm building the interior of the cockpit now. Two versions, one as instructor, the second as student out on a solo flight. Visibility from the rear cockpit is limited with a student pilot in the front cockpit, so it's a hoot to try and fly from that position. I would think the actual experience was probably more of a nail-biter though, and definitely would have required at least a stiff drink afterwards.
With a bit of luck, we'll get it finished up, and into the cycle for release.....
Paul
Browncoat: Yup, the G-12 is in the works. I'm building the interior of the cockpit now. Two versions, one as instructor, the second as student out on a solo flight. Visibility from the rear cockpit is limited with a student pilot in the front cockpit, so it's a hoot to try and fly from that position. I would think the actual experience was probably more of a nail-biter though, and definitely would have required at least a stiff drink afterwards.
With a bit of luck, we'll get it finished up, and into the cycle for release.....
Paul