Reasons FSX Users Go To P3D

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This is a follow up to the "I have become a believer...P3D is the way forward!" thread. Ever since Prepar3D came out I have flown both FSX and P3D. This is primarily because many of my addons didn't work in P3D. This over time has become less of an issue. Lockheed Martin was attempting to make the sim flow smoother in several ways. For me early on the lack of stutters in P3D was a feature that attracted me. For me to get things started in this thread the following features in P3D v2.5 have got my attention.

1. The lack of stutters was noticeable right away.
2. The fix for the dark appearance has changed the appearance dramatically
3. The fantastic lighting features far out shines FSX.
4. After limited testing I believe that SBuilderX 314 64bit works very well in P3D v2.5. (There were multiple issues with 314)

Surely there are those who will add to this list. For me this is the way forward and will probably see me uninstall FSX.
 
Graphics are a key part of the reasoning behind my interest in P3D. A few real-world clients use the platform too, so that helps.

It definitely has the potential to make things pretty!

I've found FSX:SE to be better in terms of FPS, smoothness etc, though.

Dan
 
The main problem I am running into, however, is there are some addons that will NOT install to P3D, i.e. some Just Flight and Flight 1 aircraft. Specifically, the DC-9. I have the Coolsky AND the Sky Simulations model. Neither one is planned for updating for use in P3D. About the only chance I have of installing them is through the Migration Tool. Have only used it once though. Been a long time. NC
 
Reasons a FSX user doesn't go to P3D

Just to add a point of view:

  • That stinkin' licensing. I feel completely comfortable with the terms of their professional license, but definitely not its price. As for their educational license, sure I can lie to LM about being an educator or a college/grade school student (and LM doesn't seem to care), but for me not being truthful in any situations is not acceptable - period! Please don't attempt to persuade me otherwise; for me words in an agreement mean with they say.
  • I'm very happy with my FSX experience. Stutters, of any sort, are very rare and in most of my flights are completely non-existent. With DX10 and DSR my image quality is completely excellent. Contrast/darkness issues I've solved by adjusting the gamma setting of my display. I admit that I'm envious of P3D's cloud and tree shadows (though these features if more that modestly enabled choke the mightiest of GPUs), but for now I find the price of entry, i.e. money and the hassles, not worth that luxury.

This is not to say I'll never be a P3D user...if only I can justify that $200 is worth it for those shadows.
 
Navy Chief said:
The main problem I am running into, however, is there are some addons that will NOT install to P3D, i.e. some Just Flight and Flight 1 aircraft. Specifically, the DC-9. I have the Coolsky AND the Sky Simulations model. Neither one is planned for updating for use in P3D. About the only chance I have of installing them is through the Migration Tool. Have only used it once though. Been a long time. NC
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All this reminds me of when FSX was the new kid on the block and how I remember these same growing pains when going from FS9 to FSX.
I still have and remember the very first flightsim for DOS.I still have the 5 1/4 floppy and book and the only place to fly was Miegs field in a cessna. That was for my Tandy 1000.
My, how times have changed.......:adoration:

tandy_1000_1s.jpg
 
There are those of us who have thought about going over to P3D, but don't want the hassle of re-installing everything.
What I would like to see is a software program that would transfer files from FSX to P3D.
There are those who are experts at moving files around and know what needs to be done, then there are those like me who would just get frustrated with it and just go back to FSX.
 
Navy Chief said:
The main problem I am running into, however, is there are some addons that will NOT install to P3D, i.e. some Just Flight and Flight 1 aircraft. Specifically, the DC-9. I have the Coolsky AND the Sky Simulations model. Neither one is planned for updating for use in P3D. About the only chance I have of installing them is through the Migration Tool. Have only used it once though. Been a long time. NC
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I use the Migration tool quite a bit if I'm installing FSX payware into P3D. Once it's activated it will set a "virtual FSX setup" that automatically redirects all installations to your P3D folder. I do know I had a few problems with it while I still had FSX installed, but they were minor and pretty rare. It's worth the money to have it though if you intend to install FSX "Native" payware.
 
TheFamilyMan said:
Just to add a point of view:

  • That stinkin' licensing. I feel completely comfortable with the terms of their professional license, but definitely not its price. As for their educational license, sure I can lie to LM about being an educator or a college/grade school student (and LM doesn't seem to care), but for me not being truthful in any situations is not acceptable - period! Please don't attempt to persuade me otherwise; for me words in an agreement mean with they say.
  • I'm very happy with my FSX experience. Stutters, of any sort, are very rare and in most of my flights are completely non-existent. With DX10 and DSR my image quality is completely excellent. Contrast/darkness issues I've solved by adjusting the gamma setting of my display. I admit that I'm envious of P3D's cloud and tree shadows (though these features if more that modestly enabled choke the mightiest of GPUs), but for now I find the price of entry, i.e. money and the hassles, not worth that luxury.

This is not to say I'll never be a P3D user...if only I can justify that $200 is worth it for those shadows.
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I certainly understand your position. . .that's your choice and so any conversation would be futile. I will say though that while I can't really speak for all involved, I would guess very few have paid that much, but if that were to be the going price, we probably wouldn't have a P3D Forum.
 
Thanks for the information on the "Estonia Migration Tool". I guess you have to make sure it works on the latest version of P3D?
I'll see what I can find out about it on Google.
 
falcon409 said:
I certainly understand your position. . .that's your choice and so any conversation would be futile. I will say though that while I can't really speak for all involved, I would guess very few have paid that much, but if that were to be the going price, we probably wouldn't have a P3D Forum.
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I believe LM has a flow chart or decision tree for determining what version is the correct one to purchase for you. Unfortunately their site is down. However, most single users simply would not ethically or honestly qualify for the professional version either. LM I'd imagine, also wants to maintain an ethical business practice, so sales of the correct product to the right client are as important to them as is being honest and ethical to you or I. You may want to read through what those qualifications are again once their site is back up. Each product is designed for a specific group, with the "Academic" product being very broad in terms of definition on purpose in order for as many people to have access to the software and not violate whatever agreements they made with MS. Certainly, I would never try to persuade someone from keeping their standards. Worth a second read through...
 
Finally I think I am hooked, the only down for me atm is the lack of the FSX interface which is much friendlier imo. I anxiously await the next version of SimLauncher. Oh, and FTX pulling their finger out.
 
With over 2000 free and payware aircraft i can certainly appreciate why someone would look towards P3D. I did.. Its logical and reasonable.. The license sucks, but go too your community college and enroll in a 3D art class.. Now your a student.. get a free 3year license on 3ds max from autodesk, and now your a dev. that costs 9.95 a month. Quite a bit better than 200 dollars..

I know i sound flippant and I apologize for that.. truth P3D/ESP is still ten year old technology and they havent really improved it since the rrelease of FSX. The 3rd party devs have done the lions share of improving the sim. We owe them a lot because theyve done magnificiently. However, bottom line is that its still ten year old technology. FSX/SE is a last dying gasp at making a little more money off possible new players before it sort of drifts in limbo.. At least thats my opinion if you can bear with me on that..

I currently have FSX and P3D on my machine.. I dont fly either of them. Yes i know thats wasting ten bucks a month on licensing, but i still think its worth it.. What ive been flying however, is one you guys dont want too know about. Its the one Aerosoft switched too supporting instead of continuing its own development, and its supported by several familiar companies including carenado, Just Flight, and I think alabeo. Its been 64 bit for ten years, is used by boeing nasa and others for design research and is all around a fantastic sim. But I have friends here and i'd like too keep them so i wont mention what it is.. Still, if you should stumble across it, its a whole lot less expensive than lockheed, flies in a more pilot involved way ( i will not say better. But it is more challenging ) and most aircraft are fairly inexpensive..
I simply dont see a reason why people should draw lines and insist it has to be this sim or that sim. theyre all wonderful in their own ways..
 
warchild said:
I currently have FSX and P3D on my machine.. I dont fly either of them. Yes i know thats wasting ten bucks a month on licensing, but i still think its worth it.. What ive been flying however, is one you guys dont want too know about. Its the one Aerosoft switched too supporting instead of continuing its own development, and its supported by several familiar companies including carenado, flight sim, and I think alabeo. Its been 64 bit for ten years, is used by boeing nasa and others for design research and is all around a fantastic sim. But I have friends here and i'd like too keep them so i wont mention what it is.. Still, if you should stumble across it, its a whole lot less expensive than lockheed, flies in a more pilot involved way ( i will not say better. But it is more challenging ) and most aircraft are fairly inexpensive..
I simply dont see a reason why people should draw lines and insist it has to be this sim or that sim. theyre all wonderful in their own ways..
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I fly FSX a bunch but I am learning to love BRAND X as Pam does. It is 64 bit, very powerful, very accurate, a BITC$ to setup but once done is awesome, has active company ongoing development, very smooth on my old reliable but fast 4.5 GHz LGA 775 system, and I don't have to lie to license it. Go get 'em Pam!:applause::applause::applause: I do believe that P3D is light at the end of the tunnel for FSX users who just cannot stomach the idea of BRAND X, but they really should try it before they decide to hate it. Besides you can buy 10.3 for $25 if you look around.
Ted
 
txnetcop said:
I fly FSX a bunch but I am learning to love BRAND X as Pam does. It is 64 bit, very powerful, very accurate, a BITC$ to setup but once done is awesome, has active company ongoing development, very smooth on my old reliable but fast 4.5 GHz LGA 775 system, and I don't have to lie to license it. Go get 'em Pam!:applause::applause::applause: I do believe that P3D is light at the end of the tunnel for FSX users who just cannot stomach the idea of BRAND X, but they really should try it before they decide to hate it. Besides you can buy 10.3 for $25 if you look around.
Ted
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Should i have mentioned the free versions for IOS and Android?? Should I mention that you can start a flight on your PC, transfer it too your phone and continue that flight as you drive across town then finish the flight on your work PC?? Oh well.. guess I didnt..

Yes please. try my hamburgers. theyre different than the hamburgers down the street. We cook them differently and use different spices that some say are higher quality and they taste really great.. really..
 
warchild said:
... you can start a flight on your PC, transfer it too your phone and continue that flight as you drive across town...
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Please tell me I'm misreading this: our traffic police take a dim enough view of using a phone at the wheel as it is. Not to mention how long my job would last if work time becomes flightsim time. Reality check?
 
hairyspin said:
Please tell me I'm misreading this: our traffic police take a dim enough view of using a phone at the wheel as it is. Not to mention how long my job would last if work time becomes flightsim time. Reality check?
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I take a dim view of it as well, but ::chuckles:: it was merely meant as a demostration of the capabilities. I was not intended as an endorsement or my approval of doing anything other than driving while your driving. However, if you ride with someone else who is driving, then its a different story..
 
Never looked back

Since autumn last year I uninstalled FSX for the last time. Since than I am using P3Dv2 and never realy looked back. One major point, that lets me favor Prepare is that Lockheed Martin is very active in improving the simulator and they know how important the community is, that supports them in making the sim as good as possible. Something that we didn't have under Microsoft.
What I am missing is the Tackpack from VRS. But as we all know, they will bring it to Prepare. So its only a break in which I have to live without airrefueling. But the missing of this addon made me enjoy other add-ons, that I hadn't used much before, even more. For example I now like to fly with little props low and slow over the landscape which is awesome with the visual possibilities of P3D.
One thing that I am worried about, is the point of the coming 64Bit conversion. On the one hand it should give us many improvments in terms of the overall performance. But course of the fact that many things will be not compatible with P3Dv3, it will be very expensive for us to pay for all these updates.
But this future is some steps forward. Now I am enjoying the sim at it is!

Christoph
 
txnetcop said:
I fly FSX a bunch but I am learning to love BRAND X as Pam does. It is 64 bit, very powerful, very accurate, a BITC$ to setup but once done is awesome, has active company ongoing development, very smooth on my old reliable but fast 4.5 GHz LGA 775 system, and I don't have to lie to license it. Go get 'em Pam!:applause::applause::applause: I do believe that P3D is light at the end of the tunnel for FSX users who just cannot stomach the idea of BRAND X, but they really should try it before they decide to hate it. Besides you can buy 10.3 for $25 if you look around.
Ted
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I'm confused as to which flight simulator is being alluded to here... would you please "eXplain" this ? :untroubled:
 
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