TeiscoDelRay
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I know but I cannot find it at the quoted 25 bucks.
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Reasons FSX Users Go To P3D
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Tongue-in-cheek Gary? lol. . .I assume they are eluding to X-Plane? I've never given that one any serious consideration really, rather just looking at it as so much dust in the wind. I do know that more and more scenery and aircraft are showing up in flightsim.com every day for "X-Plane" and some of it looks pretty nice. Anyway. . .back to the "real" flight Simulators!!I'm confused as to which flight simulator is being alluded to here... would you please "eXplain" this?
TeiscoDelRay
Life Time CM
I did not realize Nvidia does not yet have an sli profile for P3D. This alone would make me pass on this sim.
hschuit
SOH-CM-2024
That is not the only issue with the NVidia drivers, many people complain about the poor anti aliasing and VSynch tearing.
NVidia Inspector AA enhancements do not work except SGSS which is a serious performance killer. Many people like myself are using DSR mode to reduce the jaggies but it is still less good than FSX with NVidia Inspector AA enhancements.
The 1/2x refresh rate VSynch enhancement which does miracles in FSX does not work either because P3D can only run in windowed modes (!)
txnetcop
Charter Member
X-Plane 10
http://www.microcenter.com/product/404606/X-Plane_10_(PC)$29.99
As far as X-plane being a real simulator it is used by the Navy and Air Force trainers. It is used at Embraer to train pilots, it used by Airbus, it is used by every major ATF and GA training facility. So which is the REAL simulator?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/404606/X-Plane_10_(PC)$29.99
As far as X-plane being a real simulator it is used by the Navy and Air Force trainers. It is used at Embraer to train pilots, it used by Airbus, it is used by every major ATF and GA training facility. So which is the REAL simulator?
Professional Sim builders, such as RedBird, Frasca & others that can be found on the Prepar3d site will show that P3D is used in Very professional training devices.
(I can see that X-Perts are going to say that theirs is the best, as the PM-- guys are saying)
Turf wars? lol..
Anyhow, the very best thing by going to FSX:SE & not P3D, for me, is that now on my PC, I can use that automatic coffee cup holder that pops out at the touch of a button, plus I have a few shiney mug hiolders for my guests.
(I can see that X-Perts are going to say that theirs is the best, as the PM-- guys are saying)
Turf wars? lol..
Anyhow, the very best thing by going to FSX:SE & not P3D, for me, is that now on my PC, I can use that automatic coffee cup holder that pops out at the touch of a button, plus I have a few shiney mug hiolders for my guests.
warchild
Charter Member
Where in Wells little acre did i or anyone here ever say X-Plane is best?? I Squarely put the blame for that attitude on years of snobbish X-Plane enthusiasts playing some strange game of one ups-manship, which is just plain bull in my eyes.. Your accusing us, long standing members of this forum and community, and your friends of this type of trite behaviour (?) then turning right around and and without any knowledge of the sim whatsoever, declaring that this little game created because Bill Gates wanted to fly his cessna on a PC is the real simulator?? People are blaming Txnetcop and I for the very behaviour they are displaying..
Real simulator indeed.. NONE of them are real, unless licensed by the FAA. One version of X-Plane has that licensing but what you and I fly isnt it. Stand alone, Xplane does not meet the criteria for being a professional ( real ) simulator. The FAA has some very stringent rules about that. None of our flight simulators do. You can spend 20 bucks or so to get the device to unlock all the pro stuff X-Plane has in it, including the ability to drive real avionics instrumentation like the G-1000 ( and then you get to spend the money on that real instrumentation ) but whats in the box is for entertainment only.
However, I will say this much. X-Plane utilizes what is called Blade Element theory to determine an aircrafts flight characteristics. Blade Element theory has been found to be very accurate when used in the design of new air and space craft. Now heres the thing. The companies that are using X-Plane to design aircraft and the aircraft designed with it, are the very companies and aircraft you are flying in FSX and P3D. Nasa, Boeing, Piper, Scaled Composites, Cessna. The list goes on. So in effect, whats being said here is that the very aircraft you fly, cant be real aircraft, because the companies that designed and built them are using a piece of software you deem to not be real, and therefore these companies must be mmaking fake aircraft, like the 777, Diamond DA20, Piper Commanches whatever..
I reiterate. X-Plane is not better than FSX or P-3d. Its different. Its a whole new simming experience. It IS lovely, but FSX and P3D have become lovely also. It deserves a critical look instead of being tossed aside like some ( pick your racial slur ) at the back of the bus. I figure if Nasa Boeing and Cessna use it, it has to be doing something right.
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Warchild, I agree..
I was doing a search for Frasca, as we got one donated to our VA club, & I saw a refurbished unit, using P3D, going for $60,000.00. This is certified as a training device. In 1992, our Air Force here in South Africa, recieved 3 of these, configured as AT-6 Texan/Harvard trainers. They were nicknamed 'Tom, Dick & Harry'. We got Tom & are in the process of getting it up & running.
I was doing a search for Frasca, as we got one donated to our VA club, & I saw a refurbished unit, using P3D, going for $60,000.00. This is certified as a training device. In 1992, our Air Force here in South Africa, recieved 3 of these, configured as AT-6 Texan/Harvard trainers. They were nicknamed 'Tom, Dick & Harry'. We got Tom & are in the process of getting it up & running.
davido53
Charter Member
I went to P3D when my install of FSX stopped responding. I think it was FSTramp that destroyed it. Anyway, I also bought FSX:SE.
I would not have gone to P3D if my FSX hadn't gone tits up. I could use that $60 for something else.
However, I am enjoying P3D now as the graphics are really stunning (of course, I had to upgrade my nVidia card, which cost me another $100 so I could do DX11).
I tried Xplane but it looks godawful and I hated the controls. I envy these guys who seem to make it work...not me, though.
I would not have gone to P3D if my FSX hadn't gone tits up. I could use that $60 for something else.
However, I am enjoying P3D now as the graphics are really stunning (of course, I had to upgrade my nVidia card, which cost me another $100 so I could do DX11).
I tried Xplane but it looks godawful and I hated the controls. I envy these guys who seem to make it work...not me, though.
warchild
Charter Member
Davido
it USED to look godawful.. I bought XP v8 some time ago. Worst purchase i ever made. Fortunately the CD's it came on mercifully disappeared some time ago. XpX like FSX is a game changer.
I'm a hundred feet off the deck there in an aircraft designed and built for XPv7. Thats like flying a plane from fs2002 in fsx and we all know how those look. Middle sister ( the mountain which is local too me ) speaks for itself. Theres about a half a mile maybe three quarters too the summit from where i'm at there.
VC's and aircraft??
X-plane has come a very very long way. It's gobsmackingly gorgeous now. And controls can be set up to mimic your FSX controls with ease. However, no, its not as easy to fly in as FSX or P3D. Like i said, somewhere, I never get a chance too step outside and admitre the scenery or the plane. I'm way too busy flying it. X-Plane i'm afraid wasnt originally designed for the casual V-Pilot. It was designed for the real world pilots to pursue their PPL, or train for type re-certification. Therefore its back end can be a little complex as it offers the instructor a very wide range of situations that can be programmed into a flight by the click of a button. Theyve only recently in the last five years started making a product for entertainment. So they're new at entertaining us, but theyve been around just a few years less than MSFS.
P3D is kinda going the opposite direction, or rather Lockheed has. Theyve taken a game designed for entertainment and are making professional trainers out of it. Thats been their intent all along and theyve stated it clearly on their home page from the very beginning. That they are achieving it is too me, amazing.
I just wish we could drop the walls. We are all V-Pilots here. Some of us are real pilots here. We all fly. We all love aircraft and flying. It doesnt natter if its fsx, P3D XpX, DCS, or some other program. I cant stand the net wide attitudes of "I cant talk too you or listen too you because your flight sim is evil"..
I've been flying in Japan Mostly. Touring around from Yokohama to Matsuyama and back up too Akita on the west coast. Its been wonderful. The scenery is incredible, and the updrafts off the mountains keep it challenging. I've approached Bear North with the idea of Building scenery for Matsuyama Castle and the Zen Gardens. They have their hands full right now but they did sound quite interested. I have hopes..
OH.. XPX ATC SUX!!.. Its as bad as the ATC in FSX.. I wont use it.. its horrible..
As for XPX, yeahh, theres tons of videos just like FSX and P3D that you can look at too see if you like it now or not or even just check up on the changes since its going to remain in constant development and keep improving. But for gods sakes can we please drop the walls?? The only reason to seperate FSX from XPlane and the two of them from P3D is because of addons. Outside of that its like the differences between chocolate Ice cream, vanilla ice cream and rocky road. They're ALL ice cream and they ALL taste great.
it USED to look godawful.. I bought XP v8 some time ago. Worst purchase i ever made. Fortunately the CD's it came on mercifully disappeared some time ago. XpX like FSX is a game changer.
I'm a hundred feet off the deck there in an aircraft designed and built for XPv7. Thats like flying a plane from fs2002 in fsx and we all know how those look. Middle sister ( the mountain which is local too me ) speaks for itself. Theres about a half a mile maybe three quarters too the summit from where i'm at there.
VC's and aircraft??
X-plane has come a very very long way. It's gobsmackingly gorgeous now. And controls can be set up to mimic your FSX controls with ease. However, no, its not as easy to fly in as FSX or P3D. Like i said, somewhere, I never get a chance too step outside and admitre the scenery or the plane. I'm way too busy flying it. X-Plane i'm afraid wasnt originally designed for the casual V-Pilot. It was designed for the real world pilots to pursue their PPL, or train for type re-certification. Therefore its back end can be a little complex as it offers the instructor a very wide range of situations that can be programmed into a flight by the click of a button. Theyve only recently in the last five years started making a product for entertainment. So they're new at entertaining us, but theyve been around just a few years less than MSFS.
P3D is kinda going the opposite direction, or rather Lockheed has. Theyve taken a game designed for entertainment and are making professional trainers out of it. Thats been their intent all along and theyve stated it clearly on their home page from the very beginning. That they are achieving it is too me, amazing.
I just wish we could drop the walls. We are all V-Pilots here. Some of us are real pilots here. We all fly. We all love aircraft and flying. It doesnt natter if its fsx, P3D XpX, DCS, or some other program. I cant stand the net wide attitudes of "I cant talk too you or listen too you because your flight sim is evil"..
I've been flying in Japan Mostly. Touring around from Yokohama to Matsuyama and back up too Akita on the west coast. Its been wonderful. The scenery is incredible, and the updrafts off the mountains keep it challenging. I've approached Bear North with the idea of Building scenery for Matsuyama Castle and the Zen Gardens. They have their hands full right now but they did sound quite interested. I have hopes..
OH.. XPX ATC SUX!!.. Its as bad as the ATC in FSX.. I wont use it.. its horrible..
As for XPX, yeahh, theres tons of videos just like FSX and P3D that you can look at too see if you like it now or not or even just check up on the changes since its going to remain in constant development and keep improving. But for gods sakes can we please drop the walls?? The only reason to seperate FSX from XPlane and the two of them from P3D is because of addons. Outside of that its like the differences between chocolate Ice cream, vanilla ice cream and rocky road. They're ALL ice cream and they ALL taste great.
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davido53
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I'll have to check some youtube videos for xplane. I've always liked the idea of the aerodynamics of it. I am certainly not a fanboy for any sim, just preferences for different things. If I want to use weapons, I'd always go for IL-2 over TacPack, for instance. I would have stuck with FSX if I could have gotten it to work.