Repaints for Stuart Green's Fokker DVII

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RobH

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Have just been uploaded tonight. Once again, these were made by adapting the paint templates from the sim Rise of Flight.
 
The Albatross paints will be next. I have already started on the Sopwith Camel of David Eckert.
 
Great! Now to figure out how to get Flight 19 back into the WWI stringbags :icon_lol:
 
It's all open domain, but I think it cheats the efforts of Huub, Mike Wilson, and others, including myself, who spent real time repainting all of these shown using Stuart's excellent Paint Kit. All of these paints are available, I know I did at least half of the one's shown. RobH, it's a fine effort, but don't you think taking templates from Rise of Flight and adapting them to Stuart's textures is a little unfair to those of us, who spent hours doing just one and doing all the work ourselves in lieu of just pasting a template cut-out and pasted onto Stuart's textures. Sorry for being a pooper, but that is just my opinion.

Caz
 
Cazzie said:
It's all open domain, but I think it cheats the efforts of Huub, Mike Wilson, and others, including myself, who spent real time repainting all of these shown using Stuart's excellent Paint Kit. All of these paints are available, I know I did at least half of the one's shown. RobH, it's a fine effort, but don't you think taking templates from Rise of Flight and adapting them to Stuart's textures is a little unfair to those of us, who spent hours doing just one and doing all the work ourselves in lieu of just pasting a template cut-out and pasted onto Stuart's textures. Sorry for being a pooper, but that is just my opinion.

Caz
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I believe I know quite well the hard work involved in painting. While you say you used Stuarts paint kit, I made my own when I painted his aircraft in CFS2. I have no idea what you or anyone in the past have painted. This is the first time I have ever done anything like this. I have always done my own work. I have seen time and time again, many people sing their praises to Morton for doing the same thing with IL-2 skins. So be it.

I will have Rami remove what I have uploaded, and I will not upload any more.
 
Gentlemen, I think there is some mis-understanding here. RobH made repaints of subjects which were perhaps painted before. He however used a completely different paintkit, which he constructed himself from a paintkit created for Rise of Flight. I have played with the same idea, however I abandonded this idea when I saw how much work it would take.

RobH please reconsider the withdrawal of these repaint as I'm convinced many do like them.

Cazzie, the fact somebody has taken a picture from the Eiffel tower before, doesn't mean that nobody should taken another picture.....

Cheers,
Huub
 
Huub, I appreciate your efforts. I have respect for you and always will, but I will not be called out by the high and mighty around here. I have sent a PM to Rami about removing them, it is in his hands.

Look, I am not going to get into a pissing match with a well respected member here, because we all know who will loose. What is done is done. Time to move on. I will just keep the work to myself and that will be it.

Thanks:salute:
 
That's a real pity, I consider this a typical internet incident. I'm convinced it would not have happened when you were talking to each other it just happens because a forum is a written medium.

Huub
 
Cazzie said:
It's all open domain, but I think it cheats the efforts of Huub, Mike Wilson, and others, including myself, who spent real time repainting all of these shown using Stuart's excellent Paint Kit. All of these paints are available, I know I did at least half of the one's shown. RobH, it's a fine effort, but don't you think taking templates from Rise of Flight and adapting them to Stuart's textures is a little unfair to those of us, who spent hours doing just one and doing all the work ourselves in lieu of just pasting a template cut-out and pasted onto Stuart's textures. Sorry for being a pooper, but that is just my opinion.

Caz
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Sorry Caz,

I think your statements are out-of-order. You yourself admit to using someone else's paintkit. Just like Rob has done too, just a different one. Adapting paintkits is almost as much work as making your own, I know, I've tried it.

I've known RobH for years and he has produced a prolific amount of paints for CFS2/FS9/FSX, and uses his own painkits, except in this instance. His work is well respected round here, just in different circles, just as he, himself is a very respected member just like yourself. Again different circles.

Anyone who puts effort in for the good of others has my respect, irrespective of what that effort entails (bar piracy).

Rob, please reconsider, your work is always appreciated round here, just like Cazzies.

Jamie

PS. Rami, please disregard Rob's request, people want these paint's. The same people who have the others repaints too I'd wager.
 
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Good afternoon,

I removed them, but if they get uploaded again, I can approve them again.
 
JDTinballs said:
Sorry Caz,

I think your statements are out-of-order. You yourself admit to using someone else's paintkit. Just like Rob has done too, just a different one. Adapting paintkits is almost as much work as making your own, I know, I've tried it.

I've known RobH for years and he has produced a prolific amount of paints for CFS2/FS9/FSX, and uses his own painkits, except in this instance. His work is well respected round here, just in different circles, just as he, himself is a very respected member just like yourself. Again different circles.

Anyone who puts effort in for the good of others has my respect, irrespective of what that effort entails (bar piracy).

Rob, please reconsider, your work is always appreciated round here, just like Cazzies.

Jamie

PS. Rami, please disregard Rob's request, people want these paint's. The same people who have the others repaints too I'd wager.
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Not speaking of the paint kit, I expect RobH used the same. I am speaking of all the artwork done, the markings and such, The lozenge applied right takes a heap of time. All RobH did was use the template textures from RoF and apply them to Stuart's textures, no real artwork required here. I could start a broo-ha-ha, but I won't, I'll just disappear from this thread and others like it. It's not piracy at all, but it is a copy using someone's artwork.

Caz
 
I'm in the lucky ones who downloaded the repaints before their removing from the SOH library
Very nice repaints of this particular Fokker :applause::applause:
 
Cazzie said:
Not speaking of the paint kit, I expect RobH used the same. I am speaking of all the artwork done, the markings and such, The lozenge applied right takes a heap of time. All RobH did was use the template textures from RoF and apply them to Stuart's textures, no real artwork required here. I could start a broo-ha-ha, but I won't, I'll just disappear from this thread and others like it. It's not piracy at all, but it is a copy using someone's artwork.

Caz
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What part of "TEMPLATE" isn't registering???? The only thing I used from ROF was the dirt layers, panel lines, etc., the art work underneath is ALL MINE!!! I spent many hours on each one, creating the 'art work'

Other than this one time, I used their parts for the dirt and such, but I assure you, I HAVE NEVER, EVER, USED SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK FOR THE ART WORK!!!!

You know, I first offered this work in FSX, but like always, it showed little interest. So, I re-install FS9 to try here, and this is what I get for my trouble.

Good day to you sir, I am sorry that I caused all this trouble for you.
 
Rob, I guess I was one of the few that did manage to download them last night and IMO, they are great paints. I'm sorry that it has come to this and wish I could make things right. Don't let the actions of one speak for the many.

Edited to add: Here at Sim Outhouse we've always tried to be nurturing to folks who want to add to our hobby. There's been a lot of times that I've seen people's work who is just starting out that I really thought had a lot of room for improvement, but kept those thoughts to myself and tried to encourage them so they could learn by their experiences.

Rob's D.VII paints however are top notch however. It's shame that others won't be able to see them in the sim like I have.
 
RobH said:
(shortened by Huub)The only thing I used from ROF was the dirt layers, panel lines, etc., the art work underneath is ALL MINE!!! I spent many hours on each one, creating the 'art work'
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As I said before, it is all a misunderstanding and this exactly what has been misunderstood.

But, please stop the argument here as this is not going anywhere. In the real world it wouldn't have taken a minute to sort it out. RobH would have explained a bit and Cazzie would have said "Ahh I didn't get that" and the problem would have been out of the world.

Willy said:
Rob, I guess I was one of the few that did manage to download them last night ..........
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Willy, you're wrong about that..... :icon_lol:

Huub

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Not speaking of the paint kit, I expect RobH used the same. I am speaking of all the artwork done, the markings and such, The lozenge applied right takes a heap of time. All RobH did was use the template textures from RoF and apply them to Stuart's textures, no real artwork required here. I could start a broo-ha-ha, but I won't, I'll just disappear from this thread and others like it. It's not piracy at all, but it is a copy using someone's artwork.

Caz
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Isn't anyone who does a skin based on a "Real Historical" aircraft doing the same thing ? I mean really, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble but, Cazzie reading between the lines of what you are expressing: Mr. Fokker is pissed off because his original art work has been copied by numerous people including RobH, Huub, and I dare say Mr Green. Curses Damn them all ! I mean really aren't we all just coping someone elses artwork somewhere along the way ? Again please I am not trying to start trouble just expressing one Man's point of view.
 
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