Stock P-47D/M overhaul, northern Europe

greycap.raf

greycap.raf

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So... this kind of happened. It's normal behaviour for me to get bored with a project halfway through and it happened with the Lightnings too. With the model fighting back at every turn I wanted something else to do while gathering motivation for it. So I put everything I know into the stock Thunderbolt (with its own problems, it has to be said) and this came out. The Lightnings haven't been forgotten but they're on a hold for a while.

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Looks to be the best looking ,and as with your other work, the best flying P-47's ,based on the stock model, there is. Really excited about these ! They look spectacular ! Regards,Scott
 
Pat Pattle said:
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That just sounds wrong somehow. :biggrin-new:

I'm not exactly sure myself what makes the difference to the Mustangs and Lightnings but somehow this turned out a couple of magnitudes better than either of them what comes to the aluminium surface. It might be the riveting and its shadowing - the Mustang in particular having almost none thanks to the puttied and sanded wing.

It almost feels wrong to cover that said aluminium in paint, but it has to be done. Otherwise we couldn't have these.

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greycap.raf said:
So... this kind of happened. It's normal behaviour for me to get bored with a project halfway through and it happened with the Lightnings too. ...
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That is all too recognizable! I sometimes wish my project was finished and I could pick up something else! These P-47s look better than any of the ones that presently are around! :encouragement:. But don't lose yourself too much in the stock model or you might want to do those skins again at some point in the future... :biggrin-new:. (Paint kit promised!)

greycap.raf said:
... I'm not exactly sure myself what makes the difference to the Mustangs and Lightnings but somehow this turned out a couple of magnitudes better than either of them what comes to the aluminium surface. ...
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That is what I refer to as the perfect 'recipe' for a certain material; it can take forever to find, but once you do... satisfaction!! Right now it is difficult not to lose myself in creating various skins instead of actually finishing the model. The P-47, however, is a temptress: there were so many interesting, colourful paint jobs flying around (especially of the D-25 through D-30 variants - why did I ever choose to model the D-40? :dizzy:) that I already seem to have deviated from my initial plans.

Question regarding your aluminium: are you getting your effect just through the .dds files or are you also working with the materials of the stock P-47 .M3D gmax model? I seem to have varying success in gmax: Apart from choosing the metal or blinn shader, the in-game effect sometimes seem to be more influenced by the _r or _s files than by the shader values in gmax. My current bare metal finish is a metal shader with specularity and gloss both set to '0'. The entire effect comes from the .dds files.

PS. How are you on flight models for those P-47 models mentioned (with and without retrofitted fin fillet)?
 
Frosty said:
These P-47s look better than any of the ones that presently are around! :encouragement:. But don't lose yourself too much in the stock model or you might want to do those skins again at some point in the future... :biggrin-new:. (Paint kit promised!)
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That would be an honour more than anything else. I'll very likely drop in at some point when the time is ready for it.

Frosty said:
Question regarding your aluminium: are you getting your effect just through the .dds files or are you also working with the materials of the stock P-47 .M3D gmax model? I seem to have varying success in gmax: Apart from choosing the metal or blinn shader, the in-game effect sometimes seem to be more influenced by the _r or _s files than by the shader values in gmax. My current bare metal finish is a metal shader with specularity and gloss both set to '0'. The entire effect comes from the .dds files.
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Purely the _s.dds. I'm not even using the reflectivity, I've found that I get results more to my liking with the specularity. The desired finish is what I call "the used aluminium frying pan" and now I've finally reached it.

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PS. How are you on flight models for those P-47 models mentioned (with and without retrofitted fin fillet)?
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These are actually a bit of a test bed for them. Only the fin fillet needs to be added but it's a matter of minutes when needed, the flight models for the R-2800-59/63 engine are already done both with and without dive recovery flaps, as well as the R-2800-57C for the M model. Level speeds at 0, 5k, 10k, 15k, 20k and 32k feet within 1 mph of the real one and climb rate within 15 ft/min. Not kidding.
 
greycap.raf said:
... The desired finish is what I call "the used aluminium frying pan" and now I've finally reached it. ..
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Haha, I like that! After putting hours in looking at video's and photo's I am amazed what shades and patina aluminium shows once it is exposed to the weather and different light conditions; from new and nearly mirror shiny and new to almost flat grey. A real challenge to depict that without ending up with a polished chrome airshow warbird or a flat grey paint job!

greycap.raf said:
... These are actually a bit of a test bed for them. Only the fin fillet needs to be added but it's a matter of minutes when needed, the flight models for the R-2800-59/63 engine are already done both with and without dive recovery flaps, as well as the R-2800-57C for the M model. Level speeds at 0, 5k, 10k, 15k, 20k and 32k feet within 1 mph of the real one and climb rate within 15 ft/min. Not kidding.
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Oooh, nice! You want the real deal to test fly? It's partly clickable, you know... :biggrin-new:
 
Frosty said:
Haha, I like that! After putting hours in looking at video's and photo's I am amazed what shades and patina aluminium shows once it is exposed to the weather and different light conditions; from new and nearly mirror shiny and new to almost flat grey. A real challenge to depict that without ending up with a polished chrome airshow warbird or a flat grey paint job!
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It took me a decade of improving it one part at a time but now it finally all clicked into place. When I was first looking at the model after getting all the rivets done and weathering it I was simply struck by awe myself - did I really do that? Apparently I did.

Frosty said:
Oooh, nice! You want the real deal to test fly? It's partly clickable, you know... :biggrin-new:
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Absolutely, and it's also the only way for me to get the contact points and such right. I'll email you in a moment.


But in the meantime let's have a couple more skins. Not the most spectacular ones this time, the eye poppers are still in fine tuning.

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greycap.raf said:
... But in the meantime let's have a couple more skins. Not the most spectacular ones this time, the eye poppers are still in fine tuning. ...
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Aargh, stop doing that! :biggrin-new::biggrin-new:. I'm doing 'Jeanie' too and planned to add 'Kokomo' to my list as well (I really dig the light-yellow-on-green emblem). Most skins still are in various stages of development but you may force me to show my hand prematurely! :biggrin-new::biggrin-new:. The one below is still without panel differences and weathering.

Great job BTW!! :encouragement:. You cleaned the text of 'Jeanie' better than I did and you did find a better rendition of the 'Kokomo' nose art. I did find a source that claimed that the name 'Jeanie' wasn't there (I've seen a photo showing the P-47 with just the pin-up girl - at that particular moment in time anyway) so I am not sure I'll keep it as-is. The trouble with a lot of profiles, decal sheets and plastic model paint info is that they aren't always right: I am doing one that supposedly has bordered bands around the fuselage. I have a photo that leads me to believe that the painters did a sloppy job at masking and the additional stripes are just paint spray that has gotten beyond the masking tape (or whatever they used).

We're not gonna start a skinning contest, are we? Because we'll both lose - to John :biggrin-new:.
 

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The side-by-side look at the same aircraft really let's me see the improvements to the underlying model that you've made. :loyal:
 
Yea I think you nailed that aluminium look Rene, nice dirt patterns too, obviously done the homework.:encouragement:

Looking very sharp Joost, and as Andy said you can really see the vastly improved model work over the stock model, great stuff!:encouragement:
Is the v pit finished?
BTW I'll need to contact you regards some Bf109 F info, if you are available?:untroubled:
 
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... Is the v pit finished?
BTW I'll need to contact you regards some Bf109 F info, if you are available?:untroubled:
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Pit is not finished (of course :biggrin-new:) as I lost myself a bit in this skinning business. I also managed to screw up my library (organisation-wise) but all the books are still there so fire away!
 
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