T-7A Red Hawk From Top Mach Studios

Sweetd31 said:
I'd add that I don't think internal operations at the level of the assembly line is the fault of the engineers. They probably dedicated their life's to these planes, and even post design. Engineers remain on call for pilots in real time in case a pilot has an emergency in the air, tower can call an on call engineer at 3 am and they'll answer.

Don't want to be too insulting, but assembly line "people" aren't exaclty engineers and need to be heavily watched over for quality control.That would be my only defense for Boeing.
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I don't think it's the assembly line people either. It's the management that puts enormous pressure on the engineers and the assembly line people. That results in corners being cut, et voilà!

By definition in this day and age, management are the slaves of the shareholders. They don't care about safety, nor about the well-being of the workers. They only care for dividends (shareholders) and bonuses (management), nothing else.

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Priller said:
I don't think it's the assembly line people either. It's the management that puts enormous pressure on the engineers and the assembly line people. That results in corners being cut, et voilà! I think middle management, the ones close to the design and assembly care for QC. It is upper management, the CEO,CFO, and chief engineer who's compensation is closely tied to the stock value (meaning climbing) that put pressure on middle management to cut corners.

By definition in this day and age, management are the slaves of the shareholders. They don't care about safety, nor about the well-being of the workers. They only care for dividends (shareholders) and bonuses (management), nothing else.
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As someone who's retirement income comes to a large degree (about one-half) with income derived from stock dividends and market growth I sometimes find myself in an emotional quandary over this very issue. While I certainly enjoy the income, it has allowed me to travel the world, and enjoy expensive hobbies. At the same time, I feel that our stock market driven economy is out of control and bordering on global psychosis and immorality. While I can't predict the future, history tells us that any excess eventually is corrected, usually with suffering and turmoil.
 
This could definitely be an interesting discussion in Canelo's! Hoping to retire in 7-8 years and my 401K needs a functional stock market. But there are still plenty of people alive who were kids between 1930-40 and can tell you what unregulated abuse and illogical investor reactions can do to a country. As for Boeing, I live in the Seattle area and used to cover aviation for OMNI magazine, and the Boeing I knew in the 90s when I got to take the delivery flight of United's first 777 was really impressive. But the push to "maximize shareholder value" at the expense of giving their staff adequate support for prioritizing safety and quality has taken a severe toll. They've always had some issues (remember 737 rudder-hardovers?) but never at the level of the KC-46 quality debacle and the issues with having farmed out most of the component manufacturing to low bidders and spun-off subsidiaries.

But in the meantime, I'm looking forward to the Red Hawk! I never bought Top Mach's payware F-22 (their freeware was enough to satisfy my F-22 Jones, and it's nice), but I hear good things about their stuff.
 
Heard from a Boeing engineer I was working with back in 2015: "Too bad we have morphed from an engineering company into a finance company..." So the ethos was alive and well back then.
 
The other thing that's bothered me about the bidding and contract protest processes is how Congress has an army of budgeters who despite it seeming on paper that the lower bidders are saving money when most programs have built in peripheral support structures from sub-contractor companies which end up blowing up the overruns to insane levels. I can't recall the exact type of USAF aircraft involved but the recent story about a $200 bag of bushings being price tagged ta $96K which is in my opinion criminal malfeasance. When the DoD and USAF were questioned about this, the respondents claimed they had no control over such things as the budget was paid for and spread out already. I equated what I heard being akin to covering a whole floor with mortar for only a handful of bricks. Absolutely insane. So yes, at these expenditure levels, the greed culture is outweighing the old culture's stance on getting the job done and at the right price.

Adding to that the Quality Control inspection process is badly managed at many levels. I stand by my stance than the T-50 was hands down the best aircraft for T-X but after the F-35's overruns, the bureaucrats and politicians wanted to spread the pie another direction only the F-35 is shaping to be an excellent aircraft, currently the hottest seller in fighters. Maybe the tree will get shaken at Boeing and turn it all around but not going to hold my breath.
 
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Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., pilot, officer, and administrator who became the first African American general in the U.S. Air Force.
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It is the story of a legendary figure from US history
There is an actual autobiography (book) written by him that you can find on the usual sites
 
jmig said:
As someone who's retirement income comes to a large degree (about one-half) with income derived from stock dividends and market growth I sometimes find myself in an emotional quandary over this very issue. While I certainly enjoy the income, it has allowed me to travel the world, and enjoy expensive hobbies. At the same time, I feel that our stock market driven economy is out of control and bordering on global psychosis and immorality. While I can't predict the future, history tells us that any excess eventually is corrected, usually with suffering and turmoil.
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on these points - our stock market economy demands that corporations yield 'year over year profit INCREASES' to be considered 'successful' or 'viable' and this is also the way CEO's are rated. To keep their jobs these 'leaders' must only concern themselves with this impossible requirement. To achieve it - anything goes.
Cutting higher cost experienced workers, transferring mfg overseas, using inferior quality components, taking shortcuts in design, safety, and environmental aspects and 'controlling' congress to reduce oversight and penalty legislation. This stock market based influence over US manufacturing is on full display with the Boeing catastrophe but is consistent with the damage done in every facet of US corporate failure. Where did our high quality jobs and US made durable goods go over the last 50 years? They fell to this stock market/shareholder obsession. The problem has only gotten worse. Today some newly hire CEO's only have one or two quarters to post these shareholder increases. Imagine that you had to post enormous increases without cutting into the dividends or earnings of the top management year after year and instead post substantial increases in earnings there. What gets cut? workforce, materials, and manufacturing costs - things that have already been cut to the bone.
 
Hey folks - let's keep this thread about the upcoming MSFS model and keep the economics and politics for another forum.
 
Not familiar with George Takai but I'd even make that "Oh Mi Oh Myyyyyyyyyy...."

(i seriously hate glass cockpits but this looks absolutely amazing ! I might have to climb down..)
 
Javis said:
Not familiar with George Takai but I'd even make that "Oh Mi Oh Myyyyyyyyyy...."

(i seriously hate glass cockpits but this looks absolutely amazing ! I might have to climb down..)
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Check your PM's - I sent you a video that explains it.
 
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