Talledega - Knaus/Johnson Master Strategy Works!

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Nice win for Jamie! Good to see.

The Johnson/Knaus hang out in the back miss the first wreck move up then put in gas watch others like Gordon and Martin run outta gas moving Jimmie up more to be in front of the wreck Gordon and Martin were in and finish 8th or maybe 6th (yet to be determined) and increase points lead to at least 181 strategy worked. Only two of the top 12 guys finished ahead of Jimmie - finally he gets a break at Talledega where he had crashed 7 of the previous 11 races.

Bummer for Denny - wonder if Gibbs could make a deal to get Hendrick engines for their Toyotas?

-Ed-

 

[Cazzie]

Hey All,

Nice win for Jamie! Good to see.

The Johnson/Knaus hang out in the back miss the first wreck move up then put in gas watch others like Gordon and Martin run outta gas moving Jimmie up more to be in front of the wreck Gordon and Martin were in and finish 8th or maybe 6th (yet to be determined) and increase points lead to at least 181 strategy worked. Only two of the top 12 guys finished ahead of Jimmie - finally he gets a break at Talledega where he had crashed 7 of the previous 11 races.

Bummer for Denny - wonder if Gibbs could make a deal to get Hendrick engines for their Toyotas?

-Ed-

The most brilliant move was CK pitting JJ before the red flag for gas, now that is what put JJ in a top 10 finish! All the other chasers missed doing that and it cost them.

But like all Talladega races, it was boring as pea soup until the big one! I have despised restrictor plate racing since NA$CAR inaugurated it. Glad Ryan Newman is OK.

Did you notice the many, many empty seats at the race today? Martinsville was pretty much a sell-out last week, but the back stretch at Talladega was darn near empty.

Caz

 

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Been lookin at some other boards - not a lotta love out there for the 48 or NASCAR.

Seems NASCAR "fans?"...

1) Don't like the rules NASCAR implemented today - no bumpin in the corners no 2 car hookups. Don't they get it's for safety and staying under the 200 mph NASCAR MUST stay under.

2) Don't like an RP track in the final 10 and many want a road race in the final 10 instead. Some have even said they want to reduce the Knaus factor with a road race probably recognizing that the two road race tracks are two of only 6 NASCAR tracks Jimmie hasn't won at - however he's had at least 3 top 5's at road tracks.

3) Don't care for the 48 as at best there seems to be only a tolerable respect for Jimmie - seems a Californian who didn't win in Busch until his 81st race isn't rated very highly by NASCAR fans even though he has 46 wins 3 (almost 4) titles never been lower than 5th in the points and all this in less than 8 full years of Cup racing.

4) Don't you know it - there's even old farts out there pointing out that Stewart would have like a 120 pt lead in the points under the old system. Some are suggesting that wins should be worth lots of points to encourage more competition. Why these fans think that means anything is beyond me because if the point system were different Jimmie and Chad would run different besides as per their plan Jimmie and Chad tend to win more at the end of the year when it matters anyway.

Seems a lot of them feel that it just ain't right that Jimmie can hang out in the back and then miss the wrecks and end up in the top 10 while Gordon, Martin and Montoya race hard all day and end up 19th or worse. The Martin fans seem to take it especially hard - but they should remember the year Kenseth won the title by 8 points over Jimmie Johnson was the year Martin blew his engine coming off pit road to seal the title for Kenseth - like Earl on My Name Is Earl says it's karma.

-Ed-

 

[stansdds]

The most brilliant move was CK pitting JJ before the red flag for gas, now that is what put JJ in a top 10 finish! All the other chasers missed doing that and it cost them.

But like all Talladega races, it was boring as pea soup until the big one! I have despised restrictor plate racing since NA$CAR inaugurated it. Glad Ryan Newman is OK.

Did you notice the many, many empty seats at the race today? Martinsville was pretty much a sell-out last week, but the back stretch at Talladega was darn near empty.

Caz

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[wombat666]

.The Martin fans seem to take it especially hard - but they should remember the year Kenseth won the title by 8 points over Jimmie Johnson was the year Martin blew his engine coming off pit road to seal the title for Kenseth.
-Ed-

Jeez Ed ........ you really do believe that one!!

 

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Jeez Ed ........ you really do believe that one!!

Wombat Karma doesn't lie! Seriously though I made an error in what I wrote. Johnson finished second by 8 points to Kurt Busch a year later. That said in 03...

Martin dedicated to Roush for years and will do anything to get Roush a title
Martin part owner in the 17 (Kenseth)
Martin knows the point standings at every moment during the race
Martin wants engine to blow and miraculously? it does coming out of the pits and before even getting on the track
Coincidence - I think NOT!

-Ed-

 

[wombat666]

Hey All,
Wombat Karma doesn't lie! Seriously though I made an error in what I wrote. Johnson finished second by 8 points to Kurt Busch a year later. That said in 03...

Martin dedicated to Roush for years and will do anything to get Roush a title
Martin part owner in the 17 (Kenseth)
Martin knows the point standings at every moment during the race
Martin wants engine to blow and miraculously? it does coming out of the pits and before even getting on the track
Coincidence - I think NOT!

-Ed-

Ed to use your own petard........"Will NASCAR have honest ethics in the future?" ..........
FWIW, we had the pleasure of meeting the man in person last century.
I'm not easily impressed (cynic that I am) but he came across as a straight arrow and a fierce competitor, and on top of those qualities a bloody good bloke.

 

[Octogon]

not like it used to be

Awwwwwww the good ole days of Davey Allison, Martin,Alan Kulwiki, Earnhardt,neil bonnett , harry gant and the cars of then... todays stuff just can't match it :USA-flag:

 

[Panther_99FS]

Ed to use your own petard........"Will NASCAR have honest ethics in the future?" ..........

100% correct...

If "the Mark Martin thing" is true as EasyEd believes, then it's arguable that NASCAR has less ethics (or as equal "bad" ethics) as F1 to let the Mark Martin/Matt Kenseth championship go without punishment...

And if NASCAR ignores this, (as they so far have) then they're clearly guilty of favoring certain drivers & only punishing others which again puts NASCAR in a category of being equally unethical as F1 or worse...

 

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

LOL

Nascar worse - get real. In NASCAR I've never seen a car pull over to the side of the road so a teammate can win. I watched Hamilton not get punished at all this year when he actually committed the infraction as the driver. Then the documented team orders to wreck. And I watch very little F1. Pointing at a single NASCAR incident that I am apparently the only person on earth who suspects what went on versus multiple documented F1 incidents and drawing the conclusions you do is pretty astonishing.

Now before you point out Smokey Yunick well as we all know his cheating (like the 7/8ths car) was on a scale that was sheer genius and hence he is in the world motorsports hall of fame. It'll be really interesting to see if they allow him in the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I hope they do.

-Ed-

 

[Panther_99FS]

Hey All,

LOL

Nascar worse - get real. -Ed-

I am being real.

NASCAR favoring drivers puts them in the same league as F1....:iidea:

Or you can choose to believe as I do in that Martin is innocent and therefore NASCAR is doing an excellent job. :mixedsmi:

 

[wombat666]

I like to think I'm reasonably open-minded when it comes to motorsport in general and have always enjoyed NASCAR (mostly the 'super speedways') up until the past six or seven years.

I have great admiration for the way a single carb pushrod V8 can run at around 8000+RPM and haul a 3000(?????) pound car up to 200 MPH for 500 miles and the ability required by a driver to keep it together.

But to be honest, I feel NASCAR has lost the plot.

Bill France Senior is quoted in Leo Levine's excellent 'The Dust and the Glory' making a statement to one of the Ford Company 'Representatives' along the lines of "NASCAR is NOT about racing, its about ENTERTAINMENT". (More or less but not verbatim).

Bear in mind this was back in the '60s, during a period when Ford were looking at returning to NASCAR.

Since (IMHO at least) around 2000 it seems that the 'racing' part of the 'entertainment' has been eroded to the point where NASCAR has become more 'showbiz' and less 'entertaining'.



Like almost all present day 'sporting' events the bling and the bull has overwhelmed the original reasons behind 'Motor Racing', and the only driving force is money.
NASCAR is no better and no worse than F1 IMHO, at least NASCAR is not exposed to the World wide media blitz that F1 has brought upon itself.
I can only thank 'Huey' for MotoGP and hope DORNA keep to the true path!

I'll get 'orf me soapbox now .........

And a PS: I'm wondering what effect Toyota's apparent total departure from motor racing will have in NASCAR????? Not only have they shut up shop in F1, their naming sponsorship of their home GP has gone.

 

[Panther_99FS]

However,
Going back to the subject matter of this thread... Michael Waltrip also pitted & got a higher net gain in positions than Jimmie Johnson but received no credit for their strategy.....