dhazelgrove
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Would we do a thing like that - to you?
Dave
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Would we do a thing like that - to you?
Dave
skyhawka4m
Charter Member
Lets hope weapons can be swapped if you don't have TAPACK.
hschuit
SOH-CM-2024
I asked the developer about this and he responded: "We will look into it soon. The only drawback is that unlike TacPack stations, non-TacPack users will have the added weight and different CG, but drag & lift will be the same as in a clean aircraft, per FSX limitations."
This sounds very good to me.
Mach3DS
Charter Member
I'm very curious as to why one would not simply purchase TacPack? It's the same cost as an accusim airplane from a2a and allows you to have all the features enabled of every forthcoming project without having to ask the devs to modify them to not use Tacpack? I'm just curious what's the aversion? Not an attack just legitimately curious.... It offers much more than just shooting at things. the AI functions alone are worth the purchase. I can for example call up an entire flight of B-17s and fly with them via the tanker menu using TP. I can set altitude speed direcruit and a host of other settings. It's great for formation flying with FR freeware B17s! Sacrifice one airplanr purchase for TP amd you won't regret it!
Dumonceau
Banned
Bjoern
worst developer ever
If I want to blow stuff up, I use a proper combat sim like Falcon BMS and not a plugin-based solution for a platform that was never intended for weapons in the first place.
Duckie
SOH-CM-2024
Legitimate question, Rick. Here's my answer. This is only my answer and applies only to me, and is not disparaging ANY product or any other simmer. Vive la difference!
I enjoy military aviation very much and rarely fly anything civilian. However, military aircraft with weapons other than missiles loaded on departure rarely return with those munitions. As a civilian, the vast majority of real life observable military aircraft are rarely seen with munitions of any kind, but are regularly seen configured with external fuel tanks and various empty pylons.
I did enjoy combat sims of their times and for about 7 years straight I flew online twice a week with 3 other great guys and sim pilots, some times against the sim and sometimes against each other, and had a blast doing it. Alas, this is not a combat flight sim. It does not offer intelligent enemy aircraft that pose a "real" threat to me or my aircraft. I don't enjoy shooting fish in a barrel. If FSX were to evolve into or develop a true combat option I'd be one of the first in line for that. Until that time...
My preferred military aircraft configuration is fuel tanks or clean, which ever is most appropriate for the given aircraft. So, I don't need to spend $50.00 for an app to let me unload bombs so I can fly, and I won't spend $$ on aircraft that do not give me at least an option to fly with tanks only or clean.
Just my personal taste and answer respectfully given.
Dumonceau
Banned
Of course there is this possibility of using P3D Pro which is intended for weapons.
I do agree however that the old FSX and the current P3D are not really suitable. If you want to blow up stuff or shoot things out of the sky, then use a proper combat sim like Falcon, Strike Fighters or CoD.
Mickey$oft don't have anything valid to offer in combat sims anymore. Theirs are all dated, if not to say archeology.
again, just MHO.
Johan
henrystreet
Charter Member
Lots of features in TacPack have nothing to do with destruction or actual combat. Aerial refueling is the feature most glaringly missing from FSX and P3D that is enabled with TacPack. GLOC sim is another feature.
Mach3DS
Charter Member
Duckie, Bjoern, others,
No worries from me! I was just curious. I'm not associated with VRS, I was just curious.
I would have to say that everyone has their opinion and they're entitled to it!
I'd have to disagree, I flew a fantastic mission with a fellow tester in the new MV P38 and it was very smooth and very fun. Took off with stores and came back empty! P3D is especially fantastic and enjoys much more performance than FSX. At any rate I completely respect your reasons and will un high jack this thread!
No worries from me! I was just curious. I'm not associated with VRS, I was just curious.
I would have to say that everyone has their opinion and they're entitled to it!
I'd have to disagree, I flew a fantastic mission with a fellow tester in the new MV P38 and it was very smooth and very fun. Took off with stores and came back empty! P3D is especially fantastic and enjoys much more performance than FSX. At any rate I completely respect your reasons and will un high jack this thread! SiR_RiPPER
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FSX/P3D has indeed a bit of distance to cover still in order to be considered a fully fledged combat simulator.
The basis is now there (TacPack), FSX@War is a good leap in that direction and P3D's AI behaviours allow for combat appropriate behaviours.
What is missing is good teams of mission/scenery/asset makers that will gather up and fully equip a theatre.
I.e. the FSX@War guys are building a Libya theatre, with AI aircraft and vehicles of their own (other than the VRS Hornet and what FSX supplies).
The Vietnam War Project is a great add-on as well, but depends on lots of third party aircraft.
Since no developer wants to undertake such a thing for FSX/P3D, the opportunity is there for the community to supply. The demand is there, it can be done for free or "for fee".
I for one would love to help in that direction.
The basis is now there (TacPack), FSX@War is a good leap in that direction and P3D's AI behaviours allow for combat appropriate behaviours.
What is missing is good teams of mission/scenery/asset makers that will gather up and fully equip a theatre.
I.e. the FSX@War guys are building a Libya theatre, with AI aircraft and vehicles of their own (other than the VRS Hornet and what FSX supplies).
The Vietnam War Project is a great add-on as well, but depends on lots of third party aircraft.
Since no developer wants to undertake such a thing for FSX/P3D, the opportunity is there for the community to supply. The demand is there, it can be done for free or "for fee".
I for one would love to help in that direction.
delta_lima
Charter Member 2015
back to our regular scheduled programming ...
a few I took last night ... scooting around Los Angeles, the San Bernadino mountains, and some CARQUAL work off the coast of San Diego...
Naval Phantom lovers are going to like this model!!
dl
a few I took last night ... scooting around Los Angeles, the San Bernadino mountains, and some CARQUAL work off the coast of San Diego...
Naval Phantom lovers are going to like this model!!
dl
henrystreet
Charter Member
great screencaps, DL
delta_lima
Charter Member 2015
Thanks HS!
Only recently did I discover Blue Sky Scenery .... http://www.blueskyscenery.com/ completely transforms SoCal (I've only installed a dozen or so tiles - since it really slows down my startup time). It plays nicely with the Calclassics sceneries, so except for the modern autogen, I'm close to having a good-looking "FS1960X" type of environment (when I'm around any of the old air bases/airports).
dl
dhazelgrove
Charter Member
One from Henk.
Dave
I think that about covers it Duckie. I will add that after perusing threads where TacPack was discussed it was obvious that there are those who swear by it and don't understand why people wouldn't purchase it at least for the added benefits it offers and there are those who don't see why something like this is even needed in a Non-Combat Sim. 000rick000's last post bears out the feeling of at least some of the Pro_Tac_Pack users I think. . . .they hear why we don't see any value in it, but they still don't see why we wouldn't buy it, lol.
FSX was never built to be a Combat Simulator and unless the Steam version finds it's way into that venue in a full scale stand alone version, it never will be. Now P3D certainly has the ability to be just that by virtue of the company who is developing it. Seeing a Fully Fledged Combat Simulator take shape for a specific training option would not surprise me. Whether or not that would be made available to anyone outside the Military is a question that would come up along the way I'm sure.
Bjoern
worst developer ever
The CFS3 crowd might eagerly shoot you down for that. It's apparently still a popular platform, thanks to all the add-ons.
(And to be fair, the ever beloved IL-2 isn't much younger than CFS3 and still going very strong.)
Duckie, Bjoern, others,
No worries from me! I was just curious. I'm not associated with VRS, I was just curious.
I would have to say that everyone has their opinion and they're entitled to it!
You asked, you got an answer.
And to be completely honest, I wouldn't say "no" to a training module based on TacPack featuring practice bombs, practice unguided rockets and a an AI target tug or AI drone. Or combat maneuvering AI wingmen for practice dogfights.
A full fledged "war zone" scenario, however, is just inappropriate when the remaining airspace is still buzzing about with all kinds of civilian traffic.